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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:26:36 GMT
More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? If Westminster was fair-minded, you'd simply have been able to withdraw from the Treaty, failing which you could have been given the same treatment as N.I., namely that you can have a referendum every 7 years if a majority wants one. But the government has deliberately obstructed Scotland's path to independence, so I think it would be a mistake to expect any kind of fairness from that quarter. Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. The plantation of Ulster was largely by Scottish settlers at the behest, and the demand, of the Scottish Crown The plantation of ireland began under the English queen Mary Tudor , and started in the province of Leinster , where they attempted to set up a New England. Over the centuries , quite obviously the vast majority of colonisers were English . Scots and Irish had moved back and forth , many times over the centuries , with three great historical migrations being recorded either way going back to before the dark ages. There wasn't an issue until the mid nineteenth century , when Henry cook allowed Irish presbyterians to be admitted to the orange order , which before they were previously banned , and modern sectarianism as a divide and conquer policy was born. so what are you talking about sandy? |
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Post by morayloon on Jan 28, 2024 19:50:44 GMT
possibly , but isn't that against un rules regarding independence and colonisation ? no matter, moray said that , and I pointed out the voting franchise should be restricted to Scottish birth certificate holders . It would be interesting to know by how much the non-Scottish born voters influenced the vote in 2014. I think it's generous of Scotland to allow anyone to vote who is of age and pays taxes in Scotland, but maybe not wise when independence is being considered. T's link to the Daily Record article on the study led by prof Ailsa Henderson tells the story of the referendum. Here's a PowerPoint presentation of Henderson's findings. 72% of rUK said they voted NO while almost 53% of Scots born backed YES. blogs.sps.ed.ac.uk/scottishreferendumstudy/files/2015/03/Scottish-Referend That shows how much influence immigrants had on the outcome. Meanwhile a new poll, out today, shows Independence at 47% before Don't Knows are excluded (NO is at 48%). In his Blog today James Kelly addresses the recent move of Pollsters to use these figures (as opposed to leaving DKs out) has the, negative, motive of suggesting the YES vote is lower than it is. He points out that if people are told YES stands at 47%, the assumption is that NO must be at 53%. Election %ages don't count non voters, so why should polling companies be any different, and provide the results in the proper manner. scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2024/01/westminster-in-crisis-tonight-as-new.html If Indyref2 happens, we should restrict voting to those living, and born, in Scotland. The precedent was set with the Brexit Referendum. EU nationals, who were on the electoral roll, were not allowed to vote. As I have said before 10% of our population are immigrants from one country. The 2022 Census figures will make for interesting reading. |
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Post by om15 on Jan 28, 2024 20:35:42 GMT
That is ridiculous, thousands of English/Irish/Welsh people have settled in Scotland, paid tax, raised families and are part of the community, unless you add a caveat that anyone born in Scotland who lives abroad is eligible to vote, but I doubt if you will do that.
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 20:54:04 GMT
That is ridiculous, thousands of English/Irish/Welsh people have settled in Scotland, paid tax, raised families and are part of the community, unless you add a caveat that anyone born in Scotland who lives abroad is eligible to vote, but I doubt if you will do that. what ? you did the same to long term European resident of England in 2016 , people who had lived worked and paid taxes for years ommy. So what are you talking about? do as the brit nats say , not as they do eh? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 20:55:15 GMT
unless you add a caveat that anyone born in Scotland who lives abroad is eligible to vote, Only if they live in the EU , have a Scottish birth certificate , and are pro European.  |
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Post by morayloon on Jan 28, 2024 21:57:36 GMT
At the minute , we have indy supporting parties in the majority and the polls show yes in a majority , rising 1.5% in the polls since November alone. The snp appear to be the only thing keeping scotland in the union at present , as Salmond hints at in his article they are clueless in terms of the way forward. The demographics aren't favouring the British . We won't always have such a limp wristed leader in. charge. Eventually someone is going to break the current stalemate and go ahead and either use an election as an indy plebiscite , and if yes , what then ? What are the British going to do if it's a yes vote? Send the troops in to stop scotland leaving? How can London govern in that situation ? More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? If Westminster was fair-minded, you'd simply have been able to withdraw from the Treaty, failing which you could have been given the same treatment as N.I., namely that you can have a referendum every 7 years if a majority wants one. But the government has deliberately obstructed Scotland's path to independence, so I think it would be a mistake to expect any kind of fairness from that quarter. Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. Scotlands population, as recorded in the 2022 census, is up because of immigration: " Without migration the population would have decreased by around 49,800. But the population has grown because more people moved to Scotland than moved out" www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/2022-results/scotland-s-census-2022-rounded-population-estimates/#:~:text=On%20Census%20Day%2C%2020%20March,the%20previous%20census%20in%202011. The numbers have been rising for decades and, in my view, are becoming a case of ethnic cleansing by stealth. More and more people are having to leave the country either because of the lack of housing or no employment in the area they want to live. These scenarios are in abundance throughout Scotland but more noticeable in rural areas where few local accents are now heard. In Moray this has already happened in remote communities, to the south of the county. However the more populous towns also have many, varied, English accents. Moray, with the RAF in Lossiemouth and the Army in Kinloss may be an exception, but, sadly it is occurring in many more localities. I have no delusion about what the Establishment will get up to in the fight to keep Scotland tied to England. They have history in acting belligerently against colonies that aspire to become Independent. If we do vote YES, I can foresee some trumped up provocation relating to anti-English feeling with the Anglos living in "supposed" fear of attack. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2024 14:40:35 GMT
there there afterbirth . Take your meds hen and have a cup of tea. Alters posts, posts personal abuse, name calls and hypocritically reports to the moderators. Noted for future reference.
EDIT: Again, I have no interest in being lectured by somebody who posts personal abuse, namecalls, rewrites other people's posts and spams gif images. If moderation is blind to that behaviour or supports that level of hypocrisy and fascism then it's the board's problem.
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Post by thomas on Jan 29, 2024 16:48:09 GMT
there there afterbirth . Take your meds hen and have a cup of tea. Alters posts, posts personal abuse, name calls and hypocritically reports to the moderators. Noted for future reference. When you engage in debate , I will respond in kind. It's not difficult. If you can't take your medicine dont dish it out b4. or run crying to mod. You are in my opinion the least able contributor to threads of any member on this forum. Everyone else makes the effort , whether or not we agree with each other , except you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 16:14:20 GMT
I have never reported to a moderator. I understand you post personal abuse, rely on name calling, rewrites other people's posts and spams gif images just prior to reporting to the moderators, but that has nothing to do with me.
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Post by om15 on Jan 30, 2024 19:03:16 GMT
In the highly unlikely event of a YES vote I should think the "anglos" will be in the vanguard of the rush to leave, being trampled in the rush would be their biggest threat. Particularly if they have been, as you and Looney predict, denied a vote, the whole thing reeks of grasping at straws and wishful thinking, especially so as it appears you will have a Unionist Parliament after the next election.
As an aside I see the impoverished and bleak wasteland of Wales are deliberating about what currency they will use when Wales breaks free and becomes a world superpower, barking mad, I really wonder what you lot put in the water.
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Post by borchester on Jan 30, 2024 20:27:27 GMT
New poll puts support for independence on 52 per cent
The majority of Scots would back independence according to a new poll.
The poll showed Yes with a substantial lead among voters aged between 18 and 44, while voters over the age of 65 backed No by 68.9%.
And the research found that among 2014 No voters, 12.1% said they would now back independence, with 5.5% undecided.
A significant minority of Scottish Labour voters also support independence, with 28% of those who have made their minds up backing Yes.
Mr Salmond said: “Independence support is riding high while backing for the SNP is deep in the doldrums.
“Worse than that, as their political problems escalate the SNP are devoid of strategy.
archive.ph/7c1Co
So it is a done deal.
All the Scots have to do is hold a referendum and Scotland will arise and be a nation again.
So when is polling day Tommy?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 22:25:29 GMT
New poll puts support for independence on 52 per cent
The majority of Scots would back independence according to a new poll.
The poll showed Yes with a substantial lead among voters aged between 18 and 44, while voters over the age of 65 backed No by 68.9%.
And the research found that among 2014 No voters, 12.1% said they would now back independence, with 5.5% undecided.
A significant minority of Scottish Labour voters also support independence, with 28% of those who have made their minds up backing Yes.
Mr Salmond said: “Independence support is riding high while backing for the SNP is deep in the doldrums.
“Worse than that, as their political problems escalate the SNP are devoid of strategy.
archive.ph/7c1Co
So it is a done deal.
All the Scots have to do is hold a referendum and Scotland will arise and be a nation again.
So when is polling day Tommy?
Humza said he's pencilled in 30th February. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 8:46:42 GMT
New poll puts support for independence on 52 per cent
The majority of Scots would back independence according to a new poll.
The poll showed Yes with a substantial lead among voters aged between 18 and 44, while voters over the age of 65 backed No by 68.9%.
And the research found that among 2014 No voters, 12.1% said they would now back independence, with 5.5% undecided.
A significant minority of Scottish Labour voters also support independence, with 28% of those who have made their minds up backing Yes.
Mr Salmond said: “Independence support is riding high while backing for the SNP is deep in the doldrums.
“Worse than that, as their political problems escalate the SNP are devoid of strategy.
archive.ph/7c1Co
So it is a done deal.
All the Scots have to do is hold a referendum and Scotland will arise and be a nation again.
So when is polling day Tommy?
the forthcoming general election borkie. Could be a bitter sweet pill for you though mate. Are you ready for the red EU passport ? If you want to make changes down the allotment , you might have to apply to European bureaucrats for the privilege. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 8:49:44 GMT
I have never reported to a moderator. I understand you post personal abuse, rely on name calling, rewrites other people's posts and spams gif images just prior to reporting to the moderators, but that has nothing to do with me. another thread , another off topic whinge about a forum member rather than the subject at hand. I have never supported the banning of anyone , but I think your trolling would make an exception to my dearly held rule. Has there ever been a thread on this forum where you haven't either whinged about a forum member , or hid behind someones skirt to attack another forums member ? You like to dish it out , but can't take it . You are like turd floating in this forums ale barrel. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 31, 2024 8:53:57 GMT
As an aside I see the impoverished and bleak wasteland of Wales are deliberating about what currency they will use when Wales breaks free and becomes a world superpower, barking mad, I really wonder what you lot put in the water. the most impoverished area of Western Europe currently is in the high and mighty englandshire ommy. While I agree welsh labour have the country in a mess , I think you should get your own house in order before commenting. It's that bad I m reading , Ukrainian refugees and their children are fleeing back to war torn Ukraine having spent the week in your fabulous cities like Birmingham. The lady in question was scared to send her child to the local school , and preferred to brave Russian bullet and bombs instead. I would imagine Wales will be using the euro at some point in future , just as you will when starmer takes power. |
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