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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:06:38 GMT
In the real world Scotland is British and the people decided to be and remain British. nothing lasts forever. No previous vote can bind a future vote for eternity , the very basics of democracy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2024 19:09:56 GMT
You don't want independence. You want to break up the UK and transfer power to a foreign power whilst using anti-English rhetoric, which your lot have been pumping into schools. That's all this little poll highlighted.
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:15:23 GMT
You don't want independence. thanks for telling me what I want and dont want. Stop talking guff. aye its called independence. You are catching on . we will have more sovereignty In the EU than we currently have in the uk.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2024 19:24:11 GMT
You're not in the EU, and have no idea how it will work out. Still, if these are the lies you're telling then good luck in your bullshit campaign.
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Post by Ripley on Jan 27, 2024 19:26:31 GMT
Ungovernable, in what way? How do you anticipate that playing out? At the minute , we have indy supporting parties in the majority and the polls show yes in a majority , rising 1.5% in the polls since November alone. The snp appear to be the only thing keeping scotland in the union at present , as Salmond hints at in his article they are clueless in terms of the way forward. The demographics aren't favouring the British . We won't always have such a limp wristed leader in. charge. Eventually someone is going to break the current stalemate and go ahead and either use an election as an indy plebiscite , and if yes , what then ? What are the British going to do if it's a yes vote? Send the troops in to stop scotland leaving? How can London govern in that situation ? More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? If Westminster was fair-minded, you'd simply have been able to withdraw from the Treaty, failing which you could have been given the same treatment as N.I., namely that you can have a referendum every 7 years if a majority wants one. But the government has deliberately obstructed Scotland's path to independence, so I think it would be a mistake to expect any kind of fairness from that quarter. Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:29:14 GMT
At the minute , we have indy supporting parties in the majority and the polls show yes in a majority , rising 1.5% in the polls since November alone. The snp appear to be the only thing keeping scotland in the union at present , as Salmond hints at in his article they are clueless in terms of the way forward. The demographics aren't favouring the British . We won't always have such a limp wristed leader in. charge. Eventually someone is going to break the current stalemate and go ahead and either use an election as an indy plebiscite , and if yes , what then ? What are the British going to do if it's a yes vote? Send the troops in to stop scotland leaving? How can London govern in that situation ? More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? possibly , but isn't that against un rules regarding independence and colonisation ? no matter, moray said that , and I pointed out the voting franchise should be restricted to Scottish birth certificate holders . |
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Post by thomas on Jan 27, 2024 19:31:20 GMT
At the minute , we have indy supporting parties in the majority and the polls show yes in a majority , rising 1.5% in the polls since November alone. The snp appear to be the only thing keeping scotland in the union at present , as Salmond hints at in his article they are clueless in terms of the way forward. The demographics aren't favouring the British . We won't always have such a limp wristed leader in. charge. Eventually someone is going to break the current stalemate and go ahead and either use an election as an indy plebiscite , and if yes , what then ? What are the British going to do if it's a yes vote? Send the troops in to stop scotland leaving? How can London govern in that situation ? Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. neither do i. |
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Post by Ripley on Jan 27, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? possibly , but isn't that against un rules regarding independence and colonisation ? no matter, moray said that , and I pointed out the voting franchise should be restricted to Scottish birth certificate holders . It would be interesting to know by how much the non-Scottish born voters influenced the vote in 2014. I think it's generous of Scotland to allow anyone to vote who is of age and pays taxes in Scotland, but maybe not wise when independence is being considered. |
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Post by Ripley on Jan 27, 2024 19:51:13 GMT
Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. neither do i. The most they will offer is some sort of increased Home Rule powers which, once accepted, will soon thereafter be modified or retracted altogether. Par for the course. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:56:01 GMT
At the minute , we have indy supporting parties in the majority and the polls show yes in a majority , rising 1.5% in the polls since November alone. The snp appear to be the only thing keeping scotland in the union at present , as Salmond hints at in his article they are clueless in terms of the way forward. The demographics aren't favouring the British . We won't always have such a limp wristed leader in. charge. Eventually someone is going to break the current stalemate and go ahead and either use an election as an indy plebiscite , and if yes , what then ? What are the British going to do if it's a yes vote? Send the troops in to stop scotland leaving? How can London govern in that situation ? More likely there will be a Plantation of Scotland in anticipation of a plebiscite, similar to the Plantation of Ulster, to improve the Union's odds, don't you think? If Westminster was fair-minded, you'd simply have been able to withdraw from the Treaty, failing which you could have been given the same treatment as N.I., namely that you can have a referendum every 7 years if a majority wants one. But the government has deliberately obstructed Scotland's path to independence, so I think it would be a mistake to expect any kind of fairness from that quarter. Considering the proportions of land mass and valuable natural resources that are at stake, I would expect the government to go all out to protect those interests even if that includes going farther than skulduggery. I'm sad to say that I somehow don't think the possibility of a military response can be excluded. The plantation of Ulster was largely by Scottish settlers at the behest, and the demand, of the Scottish Crown |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 19:58:30 GMT
possibly , but isn't that against un rules regarding independence and colonisation ? no matter, moray said that , and I pointed out the voting franchise should be restricted to Scottish birth certificate holders . It would be interesting to know by how much the non-Scottish born voters influenced the vote in 2014. I think it's generous of Scotland to allow anyone to vote who is of age and pays taxes in Scotland, but maybe not wise when independence is being considered. My wife, not Scottish born, voted for independence, I, Scottish born, voted for the Union. So it would never be clear cut as you could not assume being foreign born would have been a vote for the Union |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 28, 2024 8:01:54 GMT
Which when Labour gets in, we will find out, the rest of us certainly didn't whether we were in or out.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2024 8:38:58 GMT
No shit sherlock..... Nicola Sturgeon 'no longer trusted' by Scots: bombshell new poll..
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:20:50 GMT
possibly , but isn't that against un rules regarding independence and colonisation ? no matter, moray said that , and I pointed out the voting franchise should be restricted to Scottish birth certificate holders . It would be interesting to know by how much the non-Scottish born voters influenced the vote in 2014. I think it's generous of Scotland to allow anyone to vote who is of age and pays taxes in Scotland, but maybe not wise when independence is being considered.
NEARLY three quarters of people from elsewhere in the UK voted for the country to stick together despite over half of native Scots wanting a break up. Check the detailed statistics here.
While 52.7 per cent of native-born Scots voted Yes, a massive 72.1 per cent of voters from England, Wales or Northern Ireland backed the Union.
There were more than 420,000 Britons from elsewhere in the UK living in Scotland when the last census was taken.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163 |
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Post by thomas on Jan 28, 2024 10:22:19 GMT
The most they will offer is some sort of increased Home Rule powers which, once accepted, will soon thereafter be modified or retracted altogether. Par for the course. fully agree. No one expects perfidious Albion to negotiate in good faith , so I dont think anyone will be in any way shocked or surprised in any way at the guff the London elite come out with in such a scenario. |
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