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Post by Orac on Jan 31, 2024 21:32:51 GMT
No. The post I initially replied to objected to the notion because some British citizens would have priority over others. The point you raise now about various types of ancestry is valid, but it's not the point I intervened on. We are talking about pluses and minuses of such an approach. I am talking about people wandering in and claiming an equal share, because this is a notable feature of our current situation. Why are you challenging me on an argument I haven't made? What argument do you think I am challenging you on? You objected because some British citizens would have priority over others - and i replied that the resulting system would be more sustainable / functional |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 31, 2024 22:23:58 GMT
That has been the Law since the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977 which introduced priority for social housing based on need rather than years on the waiting list. As soon as you are granted leave to remain you are able to access social housing. Which is as it should be. Allocation according to need has long been at the heart of social policy. Not really - it is a fairly recent phenomenon and arguably was the end of the Council Housing dream. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jan 31, 2024 22:29:59 GMT
Not really - it is a fairly recent phenomenon and arguably was the end of the Council Housing dream. Also arguably, an improvement on the original model. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 22:44:58 GMT
That has been the Law since the Housing (Homeless Persons) Act 1977 which introduced priority for social housing based on need rather than years on the waiting list. As soon as you are granted leave to remain you are able to access social housing. Which is as it should be. Allocation according to need has long been at the heart of social policy. It is not how it should be. This country has changed beyond recognition since 1977, yet laws have not kept pace with change. We are now in the ridiculous situation where, because of laws from 1977, an illegal immigrant from France goes to the front of the housing queue in this country. It's absolute madness. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 31, 2024 22:48:21 GMT
Not really - it is a fairly recent phenomenon and arguably was the end of the Council Housing dream. Also arguably, an improvement on the original model. not really - Council housing used to be a realistic alternative for the local community. Now it's simply the last resort for people who cannot find anything else. The rules that were imposed on Council House tenants on the Becontree Estate when it was built in the 1930's made it an aspirational place to live - nowdays social housing is about as far from aspiration as you can get. Prospective residents needed to be interviewed by LCC officials to check they were the right fit for the estate, in terms of size of family, domestic standards and resources. And if they passed the test, they then needed to comply with the strict rules set out in the Tenants’ Handbook; 20 conditions ranging from parental responsibility for the “orderly conduct” of children to requiring that no washing was hung from windows. Four sample rules highlight the extent of the LCC’s social control:
4. The tenant shall keep the front garden of the premises in neat and cultivated condition…
8. The tenant shall clean the windows of the premises at least once every week.
16. The tenant shall be responsible for the orderly conduct of his children on any part of the Estate, for any nuisance or annoyance they may cause to other tenants or to members of the public; for any damage to or defacement of any building, wall, fence, gate, or any other property of the Council, and shall replay to the Council the cost of making goods any such damage or defacement.
19. The tenancy may be determined [terminated] by the Council at any time by seven days’ notice in writing.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jan 31, 2024 23:15:19 GMT
We are now in the ridiculous situation where, because of laws from 1977, an illegal immigrant from France goes to the front of the housing queue in this country. It's absolute madness. Wrong. To even join the "queue", someone will need to be legally entitled - a citizen either through birth, settlement, or granted leave to remain through asylum status or such. And even once they're on the waiting list, where they sit on that list will be dependent on the same factors that determine where anyone ELSE is placed: factors like children, disabilities, etc. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 23:44:25 GMT
We are now in the ridiculous situation where, because of laws from 1977, an illegal immigrant from France goes to the front of the housing queue in this country. It's absolute madness. Wrong. To even join the "queue", someone will need to be legally entitled - a citizen either through birth, settlement, or granted leave to remain through asylum status or such. And even once they're on the waiting list, where they sit on that list will be dependent on the same factors that determine where anyone ELSE is placed: factors like children, disabilities, etc. LOL, you're away with the left wing fairies. Today before a select committee, the Home Secretary and the head of the Civil Service Sir Simon Case under intense questioning, blew your lefty delusions out of the water. When asked about accommodation for 'failed' asylum seekers they had no answers, they spluttered and looked at one another. Hundreds of asylum seekers move into new luxury block of flats in upmarket Surrey town where one-bedroom apartments cost almost £300,000 - linkAsylum seekers set to move into EVERY flat in city's 'most sought after' luxury apartment block - link
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 1, 2024 0:00:59 GMT
Temporary accommodation for Asylum Seekers is a separate issue.
This thread is about permanent, low-cost housing for people on low income.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 1, 2024 0:29:55 GMT
Temporary accommodation for Asylum Seekers is a separate issue. This thread is about permanent, low-cost housing for people on low income. Whether it be temporary or long term isn't the issue that many who were either born here or settled years ago feel aggrieved that they aren’t afforded adequate housing? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 1, 2024 0:47:15 GMT
Temporary accommodation for Asylum Seekers is a separate issue. This thread is about permanent, low-cost housing for people on low income. Three questions Walter: 1. How many low income people in this country do you think are already on social housing waiting lists? 2. How long do you think they have been on those social housing waiting lists? 3. Do you think allowing hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from the EU into this country will improve their chances of getting social housing? Charity starts at home. |
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 1, 2024 5:48:22 GMT
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Post by happyhornet on Feb 1, 2024 6:32:43 GMT
Why are you challenging me on an argument I haven't made? What argument do you think I am challenging you on? You objected because some British citizens would have priority over others - and i replied that the resulting system would be more sustainable / functional No, I objected to some British citizens being given priority over others simply because of an accident of birth and creating two tiers of British citizenship. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 1, 2024 6:59:43 GMT
We are now in the ridiculous situation where, because of laws from 1977, an illegal immigrant from France goes to the front of the housing queue in this country. It's absolute madness. Wrong. To even join the "queue", someone will need to be legally entitled - a citizen either through birth, settlement, or granted leave to remain through asylum status or such. And even once they're on the waiting list, where they sit on that list will be dependent on the same factors that determine where anyone ELSE is placed: factors like children, disabilities, etc. Is there not now a 'local connection' part to any application which includes family in the area. This was done away with in 77 to my recall but is now back in vogue one suspects because the local connection will keep immigrant communities together more effectively although this was seen as a racist policy by Labour all those years ago. How times change. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 1, 2024 7:20:35 GMT
I've no idea what the criteria are. The only "involvement" I have with low-income housing is a current issue of our town's "refugee welcome" group - trying to find affordable (rented - private sector) accommodation for a family who (having now been granted Refugee Status) no longer qualify for emergency housing.
As with ALL of the problems caused by housing shortages - the only long-term answer is to build more housing (something that every government promises and never delivers).
Also, bring currently empty houses (estimated at 250,000) into use, and discourage ownership of second homes/holiday lets (800,000+) by taxing them 'til the pips squeak.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2024 7:47:55 GMT
Wrong. To even join the "queue", someone will need to be legally entitled - a citizen either through birth, settlement, or granted leave to remain through asylum status or such. And even once they're on the waiting list, where they sit on that list will be dependent on the same factors that determine where anyone ELSE is placed: factors like children, disabilities, etc. Is there not now a 'local connection' part to any application which includes family in the area. This was done away with in 77 to my recall but is now back in vogue one suspects because the local connection will keep immigrant communities together more effectively although this was seen as a racist policy by Labour all those years ago. How times change. Friends and family schemes have been tried several times over the years in an effort to keep communities together - they tend to fail due to the pressures on the system and allegations of racism by groups not being targeted. |
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