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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2024 21:24:41 GMT
Dappy might have said “ I refer you to the “Right wing Lie” thread. There is pretty much the same thread every day …but he didn’t . And I don’t think even the most swivel eyed ex remainers have claimed the economy has nose dived ..until now . Queue some cut and paste which doesn’t indicate that the economy has nose dived but the poster insisting it does. Even when it’s pointed out ..again and again and again. Nosedive ..If prices, profits, or exchange rates nosedive, they suddenly fall by a large amount. [journalism] The value of other shares nosedived by £2.6 billion. [VERB] Nosedive is also a noun. The bank yesterday revealed a 30 per cent nosedive in profits. www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/nosedive
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 22:19:37 GMT
The referendum we had was post an event of membership and most people did not know what would happen, we have over 40 years of info and people did not like it. What is the differencingI will ? What's the difference well it's obviously that the Economy has to took a knose dive since Brexit. How are you measuring that?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 22:29:05 GMT
The Impact of Brexit on London's Economy - 2023 www.london.gov.ukIn 2018, the Mayor commissioned leading economic analysts Cambridge Econometrics to study the potential impact of different Brexit scenarios on London and the whole of the UK. Cambridge Econometrics has now revisited that analysis, with support from the Greater London Authority’s Economics team, to project the economic impacts of the UK’s departure from the Customs Union and Single Market, in particular the impact of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The report shows that: · The UK has 1.8m fewer jobs now that it would have been had Brexit not happened – a drop of 4.8 per cent. There are approximately 290,000 fewer jobs in London in 2023 compared to a scenario in which Brexit did not occur. · There are 523,000 fewer jobs in construction nationwide, with 81,000 less in London under this scenario. · There are 388,000 fewer jobs in financial services nationwide, with 92,000 less in London under this scenario. · The average Briton is nearly £2,000 worse off, while the average Londoner is nearly £3,400 worse off as a result of Brexit. · UK real Gross Value Added (GVA)- a measure of the size of the economy- is approximately £140bn less in 2023 than it would have been had the UK opted to remain in the Customs Union and Single Market - a drop of six per cent. The capital’s real GVA is more than £30bn less in 2023 under this scenario. · This economic damage is set to increase should the UK retain its current relationship with Europe. For example, by 2035, the UK’s real GVA would be about £311 billion lower (10.1 per cent) than had it not left the EU. London’s real GVA would be about £63bn lower. Brexit has also made the cost-of-living crisis more severe in the UK. City Hall analysis shows that 30% of the increase in food prices between December 2019 and March 2023 could be attributed to the effects of Brexit, and other research from the LSE confirms this by showing that Brexit added an average of £210 to household food bills over the two years to the end of 2021, costing UK consumers a total of £5.8 billion
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 22:38:15 GMT
LOL that report has been comprehensively debunked since it came out. For example - the report suggests that had Brexit not happened we would have grown faster than every major economy in Europe and the US since 2016. Do you really think that plausible?...
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 22:45:31 GMT
What's the difference well it's obviously that the Economy has to took a knose dive since Brexit. How are you measuring that? Let's look at that The EU has a whole has stronger Growth. If we Compare it to individual Country's it shows Pre Brexit Growth for the UK was one of the highest in the EU at 8% The state for UK Growth is 3% post Brexit one of the lowest in EU comparison. Even Italy who was predicted to be Bankrupt if they remain in the EU has more Growth then the UK one of them with lower Growth. Is Germany surly your not Suggesting That the UK has A better Economy then Germany lol. Germany has the Best Economy in Europe
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 21, 2024 22:51:02 GMT
The Impact of Brexit on London's Economy - 2023 www.london.gov.ukIn 2018, the Mayor commissioned leading economic analysts Cambridge Econometrics to study the potential impact of different Brexit scenarios on London and the whole of the UK. Cambridge Econometrics has now revisited that analysis, with support from the Greater London Authority’s Economics team, to project the economic impacts of the UK’s departure from the Customs Union and Single Market, in particular the impact of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The report shows that: · The UK has 1.8m fewer jobs now that it would have been had Brexit not happened – a drop of 4.8 per cent. There are approximately 290,000 fewer jobs in London in 2023 compared to a scenario in which Brexit did not occur. · There are 523,000 fewer jobs in construction nationwide, with 81,000 less in London under this scenario. · There are 388,000 fewer jobs in financial services nationwide, with 92,000 less in London under this scenario. · The average Briton is nearly £2,000 worse off, while the average Londoner is nearly £3,400 worse off as a result of Brexit. · UK real Gross Value Added (GVA)- a measure of the size of the economy- is approximately £140bn less in 2023 than it would have been had the UK opted to remain in the Customs Union and Single Market - a drop of six per cent. The capital’s real GVA is more than £30bn less in 2023 under this scenario. · This economic damage is set to increase should the UK retain its current relationship with Europe. For example, by 2035, the UK’s real GVA would be about £311 billion lower (10.1 per cent) than had it not left the EU. London’s real GVA would be about £63bn lower. Brexit has also made the cost-of-living crisis more severe in the UK. City Hall analysis shows that 30% of the increase in food prices between December 2019 and March 2023 could be attributed to the effects of Brexit, and other research from the LSE confirms this by showing that Brexit added an average of £210 to household food bills over the two years to the end of 2021, costing UK consumers a total of £5.8 billion Hmmm I wonder why they have chosen to write a report straight after a global pandemic and while war rages in Europe... There is no way they can untangle Brexit, the economic cost of Covid lockdowns, the post pandemic fuel and stock shortages, and the war in Ukraine. Come back in 10 years... then we will see where we are (and how well the EU is doing).
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 22:55:36 GMT
How are you measuring that? Let's look at that The EU has a whole has stronger Growth. If we Compare it to individual Country's it shows Pre Brexit Growth for the UK was one of the highest in the EU at 8% The state for UK Growth is 3% post Brexit one of the lowest in EU comparison. Even Italy who was predicted to be Bankrupt if they remain in the EU has more Growth then the UK one of them with lower Growth. Is Germany surly your not Suggesting That the UK has A better Economy then Germany lol. Germany has the Best Economy in Europe Germany is a basket case - it is the major economy that is dragging the EU down. Since Brexit the UK has grown at the EU average - in economic terms, for the UK , Brexit was a non event.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2024 22:58:58 GMT
The Impact of Brexit on London's Economy - 2023 www.london.gov.ukIn 2018, the Mayor commissioned leading economic analysts Cambridge Econometrics to study the potential impact of different Brexit scenarios on London and the whole of the UK. Cambridge Econometrics has now revisited that analysis, with support from the Greater London Authority’s Economics team, to project the economic impacts of the UK’s departure from the Customs Union and Single Market, in particular the impact of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The report shows that: · The UK has 1.8m fewer jobs now that it would have been had Brexit not happened – a drop of 4.8 per cent. There are approximately 290,000 fewer jobs in London in 2023 compared to a scenario in which Brexit did not occur. · There are 523,000 fewer jobs in construction nationwide, with 81,000 less in London under this scenario. · There are 388,000 fewer jobs in financial services nationwide, with 92,000 less in London under this scenario. · The average Briton is nearly £2,000 worse off, while the average Londoner is nearly £3,400 worse off as a result of Brexit. · UK real Gross Value Added (GVA)- a measure of the size of the economy- is approximately £140bn less in 2023 than it would have been had the UK opted to remain in the Customs Union and Single Market - a drop of six per cent. The capital’s real GVA is more than £30bn less in 2023 under this scenario. · This economic damage is set to increase should the UK retain its current relationship with Europe. For example, by 2035, the UK’s real GVA would be about £311 billion lower (10.1 per cent) than had it not left the EU. London’s real GVA would be about £63bn lower. Brexit has also made the cost-of-living crisis more severe in the UK. City Hall analysis shows that 30% of the increase in food prices between December 2019 and March 2023 could be attributed to the effects of Brexit, and other research from the LSE confirms this by showing that Brexit added an average of £210 to household food bills over the two years to the end of 2021, costing UK consumers a total of £5.8 billion Hmmm I wonder why they have chosen to write a report straight after a global pandemic and while war rages in Europe... There is no way they can untangle Brexit, the economic cost of Covid lockdowns, the post pandemic fuel and stock shortages, and the war in Ukraine. Come back in 10 years... then we will see where we are (and how well the EU is doing). In a nutshell.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 23:03:17 GMT
LOL that report has been comprehensively debunked since it came out. For example - the report suggests that had Brexit not happened we would have grown faster than every major economy in Europe and the US since 2016. Do you really think that plausible?... levels by the end of 2021. By this point, the economy was 0.6 per cent larger than its pre-pandemic level – rather than 1.2 per cent smaller as the earlier figures implied. Using the updated growth rates, analysts at Capital Economics calculated that the economy was actually 1.5 per cent above its pre-pandemic level by the second quarter of this year. Ruth Gregory, deputy chief UK economist, said that “the implication is that the UK economy is no longer at the back of the G7 pack and it is not so far behind the average”. As the table shows, GDP in other G7 countries is 2.6 per cent above pre-pandemic levels on average – albeit that is driven mainly by the US. This turns the prevailing narrative about the domestic economy on its head: Simon French, chief economist Even doe this person nakes out the British Economy is Stonger then first predicted .it Still says the Growth for Britain Economy is Still below Average in the G7.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 23:07:32 GMT
LOL that report has been comprehensively debunked since it came out. For example - the report suggests that had Brexit not happened we would have grown faster than every major economy in Europe and the US since 2016. Do you really think that plausible?... levels by the end of 2021. By this point, the economy was 0.6 per cent larger than its pre-pandemic level – rather than 1.2 per cent smaller as the earlier figures implied. Using the updated growth rates, analysts at Capital Economics calculated that the economy was actually 1.5 per cent above its pre-pandemic level by the second quarter of this year. Ruth Gregory, deputy chief UK economist, said that “the implication is that the UK economy is no longer at the back of the G7 pack and it is not so far behind the average”. As the table shows, GDP in other G7 countries is 2.6 per cent above pre-pandemic levels on average – albeit that is driven mainly by the US. This turns the prevailing narrative about the domestic economy on its head: Simon French, chief economist Even doe this person nakes out the British Economy is Stonger then first predicted .it Still says the Growth for Britain Economy is Still below Average in the G7. So you really believe that had we not left the EU we would have massively outgrown every major economy in the EU and the US since 2016? I have a bridge to sell - are you interested?
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 23:10:46 GMT
Let's look at that The EU has a whole has stronger Growth. If we Compare it to individual Country's it shows Pre Brexit Growth for the UK was one of the highest in the EU at 8% The state for UK Growth is 3% post Brexit one of the lowest in EU comparison. Even Italy who was predicted to be Bankrupt if they remain in the EU has more Growth then the UK one of them with lower Growth. Is Germany surly your not Suggesting That the UK has A better Economy then Germany lol. Germany has the Best Economy in Europe Germany is a basket case - it is the major economy that is dragging the EU down. Since Brexit the UK has grown at the EU average - in economic terms, for the UK , Brexit was a non event. Growth at EU Average since Brexit but has shown by your Chart The UK had the Second Strongest Growth At 8% Now you say it's Average . How can you say Brexit hasn't Effect the Economy if that so from a strong Man of EU to Average lol.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 23:15:29 GMT
levels by the end of 2021. By this point, the economy was 0.6 per cent larger than its pre-pandemic level – rather than 1.2 per cent smaller as the earlier figures implied. Using the updated growth rates, analysts at Capital Economics calculated that the economy was actually 1.5 per cent above its pre-pandemic level by the second quarter of this year. Ruth Gregory, deputy chief UK economist, said that “the implication is that the UK economy is no longer at the back of the G7 pack and it is not so far behind the average”. As the table shows, GDP in other G7 countries is 2.6 per cent above pre-pandemic levels on average – albeit that is driven mainly by the US. This turns the prevailing narrative about the domestic economy on its head: Simon French, chief economist Even doe this person nakes out the British Economy is Stonger then first predicted .it Still says the Growth for Britain Economy is Still below Average in the G7. So you really believe that had we not left the EU we would have massively outgrown every major economy in the EU and the US since 2016? I have a bridge to sell - are you interested? Yes seeing we turned from one of the strongest to Average . How much is that Bridge lol
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 23:17:39 GMT
Germany is a basket case - it is the major economy that is dragging the EU down. Since Brexit the UK has grown at the EU average - in economic terms, for the UK , Brexit was a non event. Growth at EU Average since Brexit but has shown by your Chart The UK had the Second Strongest Growth At 8% Now you say it's Average . How can you say Brexit hasn't Effect the Economy if that so from a strong Man of EU to Average lol. When was we the strong man of the EU? - you have a very different view of the economy in 2016 from me. I certainly would not buy into your view that the economy was booming under Cameron.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 21, 2024 23:18:34 GMT
The Impact of Brexit on London's Economy - 2023 www.london.gov.ukIn 2018, the Mayor commissioned leading economic analysts Cambridge Econometrics to study the potential impact of different Brexit scenarios on London and the whole of the UK. Cambridge Econometrics has now revisited that analysis, with support from the Greater London Authority’s Economics team, to project the economic impacts of the UK’s departure from the Customs Union and Single Market, in particular the impact of the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The report shows that: · The UK has 1.8m fewer jobs now that it would have been had Brexit not happened – a drop of 4.8 per cent. There are approximately 290,000 fewer jobs in London in 2023 compared to a scenario in which Brexit did not occur. · There are 523,000 fewer jobs in construction nationwide, with 81,000 less in London under this scenario. · There are 388,000 fewer jobs in financial services nationwide, with 92,000 less in London under this scenario. · The average Briton is nearly £2,000 worse off, while the average Londoner is nearly £3,400 worse off as a result of Brexit. · UK real Gross Value Added (GVA)- a measure of the size of the economy- is approximately £140bn less in 2023 than it would have been had the UK opted to remain in the Customs Union and Single Market - a drop of six per cent. The capital’s real GVA is more than £30bn less in 2023 under this scenario. · This economic damage is set to increase should the UK retain its current relationship with Europe. For example, by 2035, the UK’s real GVA would be about £311 billion lower (10.1 per cent) than had it not left the EU. London’s real GVA would be about £63bn lower. Brexit has also made the cost-of-living crisis more severe in the UK. City Hall analysis shows that 30% of the increase in food prices between December 2019 and March 2023 could be attributed to the effects of Brexit, and other research from the LSE confirms this by showing that Brexit added an average of £210 to household food bills over the two years to the end of 2021, costing UK consumers a total of £5.8 billion Hmmm I wonder why they have chosen to write a report straight after a global pandemic and while war rages in Europe... There is no way they can untangle Brexit, the economic cost of Covid lockdowns, the post pandemic fuel and stock shortages, and the war in Ukraine. Come back in 10 years... then we will see where we are (and how well the EU is doing). Same can be said to them who say Brexit hadn't effected the British Economy.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2024 23:21:26 GMT
So you really believe that had we not left the EU we would have massively outgrown every major economy in the EU and the US since 2016? I have a bridge to sell - are you interested? Yes seeing we turned from one of the strongest to Average . How much is that Bridge lol So you admit that your claim of the UK economy “ nosediving was false “ YOU …”What's the difference well it's obviously that the Economy has to took a knose dive since Brexit”. Nosedive ..If prices, profits, or exchange rates nosedive, they suddenly fall by a large amount. [journalism] The value of other shares nosedived by £2.6 billion. [VERB] Nosedive is also a noun. The bank yesterday revealed a 30 per cent nosedive in profits.
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