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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2024 15:25:55 GMT
Yes Andy does, doesn't he.
I'm glad we agree.
No it's you who said you'd no idea Yes, yes I did.
You see Andy threw in a random proposition that no one else mentioned and then expected someone else to justify it.
That's what Andy does, you see: He makes pejorative insinuations based on things that were never said. And then proceeds to act as if they were.
He lies, basically.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 21, 2024 18:13:54 GMT
No it's you who said you'd no idea Yes, yes I did.
You see Andy threw in a random proposition that no one else mentioned and then expected someone else to justify it.
That's what Andy does, you see: He makes pejorative insinuations based on things that were never said. And then proceeds to act as if they were.
He lies, basically.
No. I called out your bad behaviour. No apology from me. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2024 18:24:49 GMT
Yes, yes I did.
You see Andy threw in a random proposition that no one else mentioned and then expected someone else to justify it.
That's what Andy does, you see: He makes pejorative insinuations based on things that were never said. And then proceeds to act as if they were.
He lies, basically.
No. I called out your bad behaviour. No apology from me. What bad behaviour, Andy? You're the one conflating dyslexia with stupidity.
And since I'm suffering from neither, I don't require an apology. But perhaps you should make one elsewhere. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 21, 2024 22:11:04 GMT
Huh? Are you talking about Corporation Tax?I am taking about company directors paying themselves below the income tax / NI thresholds, and then taking the rest as share dividends. Yes - dividends come out of taxed income. Hence why they have always been treated differently to salaries. You just summed up the problem... too many people are operating under Limited when they should be Self Employed and paying the same levels of taxation as PAYE. Limited should be reserved for proper companies, not used as Personal Service Companies. Let's be honest, dividends are taxed less because most politicians will be receiving them lol. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2024 22:24:24 GMT
Yes - dividends come out of taxed income. Hence why they have always been treated differently to salaries. You just summed up the problem... too many people are operating under Limited when they should be Self Employed and paying the same levels of taxation as PAYE. Limited should be reserved for proper companies, not used as Personal Service Companies. Let's be honest, dividends are taxed less because most politicians will be receiving them lol. Yes, but that is a trivial issue in the whole economy - and HMRC have been clamping down on abuses there for years. Changing the whole tax system to solve that issue creates much bigger problems. We have a major problem in the UK with getting people to invest in the productive economy, increasing taxes on them is not going to improve matters. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 21, 2024 22:37:23 GMT
You just summed up the problem... too many people are operating under Limited when they should be Self Employed and paying the same levels of taxation as PAYE. Limited should be reserved for proper companies, not used as Personal Service Companies. Let's be honest, dividends are taxed less because most politicians will be receiving them lol. Yes, but that is a trivial issue in the whole economy - and HMRC have been clamping down on abuses there for years. Changing the whole tax system to solve that issue creates much bigger problems. We have a major problem in the UK with getting people to invest in the productive economy, increasing taxes on them is not going to improve matters. The topic is about fairness. It is fair that people under PAYE pay more tax than people drawing income from dividends and capital gains? This is what the establishment does... the left make you think unfairness comes from billionaires, landlords and non-doms. The right make you think it is immigrants and benefits scroungers. The status quo isn't working is it, and all the parties are lying about why. It has nothing to do with austerity or rich people not paying their fair share. The problem is there is no correlation between the levels of public services we want and the tax people are willing to pay. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
You said something had gone into me, again! |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2024 11:53:03 GMT
You said something had gone into me, again! Are you ‘ the’ red?🤔 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 12:20:21 GMT
You said something had gone into me, again! Are you ‘ the’ red?🤔 You wanna believe it. The mold was broken after me.  |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2024 12:25:49 GMT
You wanna believe it. The mold was broken after me. There must have been a reason for that Red.😁 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2024 12:28:14 GMT
You wanna believe it. The mold was broken after me. There must have been a reason for that Red.😁 Obviously, you can have too much of a good thing. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 22, 2024 12:32:00 GMT
There must have been a reason for that Red.😁 Obviously, you can have too much of a good thing. That must be it then 😁 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2024 19:39:19 GMT
No. I called out your bad behaviour. No apology from me. What bad behaviour, Andy? You're the one conflating dyslexia with stupidity. And since I'm suffering from neither, I don't require an apology. But perhaps you should make one elsewhere.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2024 10:54:30 GMT
We have the highest tax burden since WW2, and your taxes are paying for people like Apsana Begum, says....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2024 16:28:31 GMT
Our unequal tax system The tax system needs to change so that it is fairer and raises more money. The tax system we have is stacked in favour of people on higher incomes and with greater wealth. For example, most people pay 13.25% National Insurance on any income above £120 per week. But someone who earns more than £50,000 a year pays a much lower rate of national insurance – just3.252% – on that income above £50,000. Another example is Council Tax where the person living in a house valued at £1m or £2m pays exactly the same amount of Council Tax as the person living in a house valued at £325,000. Take the case of VAT – the lower your income, the higher the proportion of your income you give to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs in VAT. In addition to this, there is very little taxation of wealth (as opposed to income) in this country. Finally, there are some extremely rich individuals who use tax loopholes and offshoring to pay little or no tax at all. issue of corporate tax avoidance. Virgin Care (then owned by Richard Branson) has also been criticised for paying no or little corporation tax despite billions of pounds worth of Local Authority and NHS contracts. Estimates of the tax gap – the difference between taxes actually paid and taxes which should in theory be paid – vary from £35bn annually to around £120bn depending on what is included. Yet only the other day - after insisting I was somehow far left and I challenged you to name a far left policy I supported to back that common but false assertion - out of desperation you cited Labour's proposed modest set of tax increases for higher earmers in the 2017 manifesto. And here you are doing the same. I agree with you on this though. But what it proves is that if I am hard left for the desperate reasons you cited, so are you on the evidence above. Or put it another way. I am no more hard left than you are. |
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