Is this Countries Tax System fair ?

You clearly have not read properly what I have written. I have clearly stated that unearned income including dividends be taxed at the same rate as earned income, ie the same rate, not a higher rate.

And I have advocated lower taxes on incomes financed by higher taxes on assets with lower rates of capital gains taxes for long term investments, which would all be designed both to promote economic activity and divert investment away from property assets into productive enterprises. Whilst also creating the conditions for more enterprising individuals lower down the pay scale to generate sufficient capital to start their own enterprises. Those choosing to invest in promising enterprises over the long term instead of in yet more bricks and mortar would actually pay less taxes in the form of capital gains under my proposals. We do after all seriously need to rein in further inflation of property prices whilst encouraging investment in business instead in order to promote prosperity and growth. Property price inflation is sucking investment away from more productive, growth creating, sectors of the economy.

And are you seriously suggesting that the poor need to remain poor for the good of the economy, lest they otherwise spend their money on imported goods? Well perhaps if investment in home grown manufacturing was encouraged instead of in bricks and mortar we might be able to produce more of the goods they might want to buy at home. If we dont make anything much ourselves, importing goods is always going to be necessary. Keeping people so poor that they cant afford to buy anything is not an answer to this that serves the wellbeing of the people.

You seem to be simultaneously arguing that the poor need to remain as poor as possible to avoid spending on imports whilst the rich need to be as rich as possible in order to have more money to invest. No wonder so many of you Tory types seem to be about serving the interests of the wealthy elites at the expense of the rest of us. You seem to want to actively oppose hard working people becoming more prosperous for the good of the economy. And yet you jump up and down in a total tantrum at any notion of those poor hard done by wealthy elites paying a penny more for anything. I see you as utterly self interested on this. Any economic model that relies on the masses remaining poor with only the rich having the resources to invest is not one that works for the people and should be discarded.

I have not suggested that dividends be taxed at a higher rate. Stop lying about what I said. I have said that all income should be taxed at the same rate as taxes on earned incomes and salaries.

You say this is already happening which is all very well if true. Yet I know of people who pay themselves minimum wage whilst taking most of their income in the form of a huge dividend which they declare as capital gains and thus pay a much lower rate of tax. Removing this loophole is only fair.

As for capital gains resulting from long term investments, I have actually advocated lowering these, so how does that compute with your groan inducing and utterly predictable if lazy charge that I am motivated by envy? Which is of course bullshit. I do not envy rich people beyond the simple thought that it would be nice to be so rich. I only feel a justified sense of grievance if they are avoiding paying their dues, or getting rich by making others poor.

My best friend is a multiple property owning millionairess who has helped me out financially before and I do not in the least begrudge her what she has. She has worked hard for it, so enough of this lazy politics of envy crap. You impugn my motives rather than effectively challenge my arguments, which is a sign that you are losing the argument.

Your poor hard done by rich people act, which you go off on at every opportunity, is getting rather predictable as well as tiresome. And transparent and boring.

Normally your posts are relatively sensible Dave.  There are some seriously dodgy "facts" in that analysis however.

Not sure this thread needs to become another brexit one.

So first you claim that dividend tax rates are the same as income tax rates. Then you say they are lower after all, citing excuses as to why that should be so. You are being highly inconsistent. My position on that is wholly consistent. Dividend income and all other incomes, subject to the following proviso on capital gains. should be taxed at the same rates as earned incomes.

As laid out by the Tory party member whose idea it was, capital gains taxes should be levied at the same rate as income taxes, but get progressively lower the longer the investment term. The exact details of the taper is not something I am going to get into because that is open to negotiation, and I am open to persuasion and advice on that, but certainly anything less than a year would be a short term investment, whilst anything more than a decade would be a long term one. I would suggest that the former be taxed at the same rate as earned incomes whilst the latter be taxed at no more than half that at most, ideally even less. In between the rates would be determined by the length of the investment period. But I have no fixed targets in mind on that and am thus open to persuasion. It is the general idea I am arguing for.