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Post by sandypine on Jan 19, 2024 11:35:16 GMT
New paper in ‘Nature’: Himalayan glaciers melting much more slowly than expected, researchers blame warming! notrickszone.com/2024/01/17/climate-researchers-blame-himalayan-glaciers-melting-much-more-slowly-on-warming/"Germany’s online Frankfurter Rundschau (FR) reports on “baffled scientists” and how the Himalayan glaciers are cooling, yet insist the reason is global warming. The FR reports: This development is unusual because the Himalayan glaciers have continuously lost mass over the past five decades. The main reason for this is the continuing rise in temperature. However, the glaciers appear to be melting much more slowly than expected. According to the researchers, this is due to so-called katabatic winds. These occur over cold, partly icy surfaces of glaciers. “The air above glaciers cools down, becomes heavier and then flows downwards to warmer surroundings,” writes swz.at. The researchers have not yet been able to fully determine whether the Himalayan glacier becoming colder is positive news. “While the warming of the atmosphere is increasing glacier melting, the lowering of near-surface air temperatures has shifted the extent of cooling,” writes the team of researchers. Initially, a slower melting glacier would be positive news, but will it last?” The original study appeared in ‘Nature’: Local cooling and drying induced by Himalayan glaciers under global warming" More uncertainty within the 'settled science'. The MSN do not like baffled climate scientists so will probably ignore this as a 'blip'. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2024 13:07:30 GMT
The fact is Gaia the Earth Mother Goddess has wierd and wonderful ways to mitigate changes and restore balance.
Or if you prefer, hydrogen bonding and weak nuclear forces in the atom do some funny things to water molecules as temperature and air pressure changes …
We knew ‘funny shit happens’ back in the mid to late 70’s but while that was accepted back then as ‘largely unexplained wierd shit’ it seems the disciples of Saint Greta of Carbon Evil have ‘done a council of nicea’ on us without anyone noticing…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 13:23:24 GMT
It is notable in the whole AGW debate on this forum, that everyone believes what they want to believe and only ever gets excited about any evidence that can support what they want to believe. There might have been a hundred bits of evidence in the meantime that doesnt, but that gets ignored obviously, then the one bit that may be costrued as backing what they want to think, and an immediate new thread appears to which everyone piles in with what they already believed anyway. No ones mind is changed. No difference is ever made. Any evidence either way gets ignored anyway by anyone who doesnt like it. And we all go away confirmed in our belief that we were right all along. Post, argue, repeat. Ad infinitum.
So I am not minded to bother anymore right now. If I change my mind I might express an opinion. Lol
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Post by sandypine on Jan 19, 2024 16:12:35 GMT
It is notable in the whole AGW debate on this forum, that everyone believes what they want to believe and only ever gets excited about any evidence that can support what they want to believe. There might have been a hundred bits of evidence in the meantime that doesnt, but that gets ignored obviously, then the one bit that may be costrued as backing what they want to think, and an immediate new thread appears to which everyone piles in with what they already believed anyway. No ones mind is changed. No difference is ever made. Any evidence either way gets ignored anyway by anyone who doesnt like it. And we all go away confirmed in our belief that we were right all along. Post, argue, repeat. Ad infinitum. So I am not minded to bother anymore right now. If I change my mind I might express an opinion. Lol Well to a certain extent you illustrate the point. The evidence according to the 'consensus' is that the science is settled and that the relationship between human emissions and global warming is a conclusion based on all the science to date and anything that does not confirm the settled science is misinformation/lying/disinformation/the work of charlatans or those in the pay of the fossil fuel companies or else those who have an exe to grind and will lie to bring about their own disreputable ends. When science finds that the narrative still has questions and it is reported in the quality press then it should be highlighted along with all the fiddling, correction factors and manipulation that seems to be the MO of the alarmists. The MSN highlight the science that seems to support the narrative and ignore reports like this that raise questions with the narrative and the only way to bring it to the attention of others is widening its dissemination. You can by all means counter it which is the point of a debating forum but the noted unwillingness of alarmists to engage is of course a salient point in challenging the narrative. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jan 19, 2024 17:40:56 GMT
Some years ago, when the Autumn temperatures in the Arctic were much warmer than usual, it was expected that the icing up would be delayed ... but, much to the bewilderment of the scientists, it happened earlier than usual ... large areas of open sea suddenly iced-over. The higher air temperatures (but still below freezing) actually promoted the earlier ice formation.
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Post by sandypine on Jan 19, 2024 19:29:29 GMT
Some years ago, when the Autumn temperatures in the Arctic were much warmer than usual, it was expected that the icing up would be delayed ... but, much to the bewilderment of the scientists, it happened earlier than usual ... large areas of open sea suddenly iced-over. The higher air temperatures (but still below freezing) actually promoted the earlier ice formation. Which just goes to show how fickle weather can be. However that is not what they are saying they are saying it is the cold winds blowing over the ice that is slowing the process. You seem to be saying that warm air promotes the ice formation. The Mpemba effect in other words. Not the same type of situation |
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