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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2024 18:38:10 GMT
Totally, absolutely 100% correct.  But we haven't that's my point . Don't you get it We have - the Government have decided that they want to import a million people a year. If another Government decided that we would import zero people they could do it. That is what control means. |
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Post by Dogburger on Jan 13, 2024 18:56:49 GMT
As I said that was the problem with Brexit ,there was no real representation in Parliament . People fell for the lie that there was no point in voting UKIP as they would have a referendum and implement the result of that referendum ,they didn't Cameron lied . May then said she would get the best deal for Britain , she didn't , she lied . Johnson then stood on the platform of getting Brexit done ,so no need to vote Brexit indeed that party did not even stand in many tory seats . He didn't , he lied . As for immigration both UKIP and Brexit parties promoted the points based immigration system that Johnson later said he would use . We saw little evidence that was the case . Sunak more recently has decided on a minimum wage for immigrants , the man is an idiot as it rules out many of the workers that we need though with 1.2 Million coming through the door you would think he could find a few to pick a few crops Seeing has you said that UKiP didn't stand in Many Tories Seats obviously not to Spit the Tory vote . And they new they was no real repersentives in parliament for a controlled points immigration policy So there was no way that Johnson could pass such a law though the commons or house of Lords And yet they decided not to stand against the Conservatives . It seems they were very much a part of the lie. I see it as they were victims of the lie rather than part of it . You can't be party to something you're against and had no say in . However its not a mistake that Reform are going to make having said they will stand in every seat next time . |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 19:39:21 GMT
While you are correct to mock the tories on their immigration failure , who apart from you , believes starmers new labour party is going to solve problems with immigration with their track record? I'm not actually mocking the Tories on there immigration record But pointing out the Lie Brexiters told about controlling immigration if we left the EU. This was evident by one of the main supporters of Brexit Boris Johnson it wasn't so under his time has prime Minister It increased at a alarming rate. Especially amongst them from.Developing. a country's. Has for Starmer and his track record on immigration not sure what your on about But if immigration did increase under his Govenment. Of you read my post on immigration I Clearly Support it Because I think. There are beneficial to The County. I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 20:05:07 GMT
I'm not actually mocking the Tories on there immigration record But pointing out the Lie Brexiters told about controlling immigration if we left the EU. This was evident by one of the main supporters of Brexit Boris Johnson it wasn't so under his time has prime Minister It increased at a alarming rate. Especially amongst them from.Developing. a country's. Has for Starmer and his track record on immigration not sure what your on about But if immigration did increase under his Govenment. Of you read my post on immigration I Clearly Support it Because I think. There are beneficial to The County. I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. What la la land i don't think labour will control immigration Has for them wanting to control Immigration on this board think Reform is the option.. I sure you don't agree with that option. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2024 20:09:43 GMT
I'm not actually mocking the Tories on there immigration record But pointing out the Lie Brexiters told about controlling immigration if we left the EU. This was evident by one of the main supporters of Brexit Boris Johnson it wasn't so under his time has prime Minister It increased at a alarming rate. Especially amongst them from.Developing. a country's. Has for Starmer and his track record on immigration not sure what your on about But if immigration did increase under his Govenment. Of you read my post on immigration I Clearly Support it Because I think. There are beneficial to The County. I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. Labour latch themselves on to the minority groups, then collectively hope that their combined votes will get them in to power.
They are the party for ..
Muslims Blacks BLM
Gays Lesbians
Transgenders
migrants illegal migrants disabled
One group of people that Labour DO NOT represent are White Working class people, they have abandoned them in favour of the Woke, Snowflake, Diverse voters, and for that reason they should not get the white working class vote.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 20:24:02 GMT
I'm not actually mocking the Tories on there immigration record But pointing out the Lie Brexiters told about controlling immigration if we left the EU. This was evident by one of the main supporters of Brexit Boris Johnson it wasn't so under his time has prime Minister It increased at a alarming rate. Especially amongst them from.Developing. a country's. Has for Starmer and his track record on immigration not sure what your on about But if immigration did increase under his Govenment. Of you read my post on immigration I Clearly Support it Because I think. There are beneficial to The County. I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. Talking about Brexit stopping the free movement of EU nations Let's look at the Cost to the Country and the Economy One report from 2022 found that two-thirds (66%) of large businesses said they would struggle to recruit employees with the skills they need. This was also broken down into specific sectors with 63% for education, 52% for manufacturing, and 52% for leisure and hospitality companies. The reason for such use Gap Brexit – When the UK left the EU, it caused a number of European workers to return to other EU countries, leaving a labour shortage in industries such as hospitality, healthcare and corporate support services |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 20:32:10 GMT
I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. Labour latch themselves on to the minority groups, then collectively hope that their combined votes will get them in to power.
They are the party for ..
Muslims Blacks BLM
Gays Lesbians
Transgenders
migrants illegal migrants disabled
One group of people that Labour DO NOT represent are White Working class people, they have abandoned them in favour of the Woke, Snowflake, Diverse voters, and for that reason they should not get the white working class vote.
Ha ha is the Guy talking about the working class especially the white working class dont understand why you right wingers use race to try and get there point Across. Openly supports private Schools Keeping There Charity Status. But I let you explaine how a right wing Govenment has improved the lot for the Working class. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2024 20:49:30 GMT
Labour latch themselves on to the minority groups, then collectively hope that their combined votes will get them in to power.
They are the party for ..
Muslims Blacks BLM
Gays Lesbians
Transgenders
migrants illegal migrants disabled
One group of people that Labour DO NOT represent are White Working class people, they have abandoned them in favour of the Woke, Snowflake, Diverse voters, and for that reason they should not get the white working class vote.
Ha ha is the Guy talking about the working class especially the white working class dont understand why you right wingers use race to try and get there point Across. Openly supports private Schools Keeping There Charity Status. But I let you explaine how a right wing Govenment has improved the lot for the Working class. Ok
They have increased the minimum wage to £10.42
child care costs Up to 15 or 30 hours of early education over 38 weeks of the year.
A total of 1,140 hours per year, that you can use flexibly with one or more
childcare providers.
Work from Home (WFH)
Working Tax credits from April is money provided to boost the income of working people who are on a low income.
Universal Credit is worth checking if you can get Universal Credit, even if you work full-time. There's no set amount of income where you stop being eligible for Universal Credit - it depends on your situation. If you're already claiming benefits, talk to an adviser first to check if you're better off on Universal Credit.
** What are Labour going to do to Top that ^^
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2024 20:57:52 GMT
I forgot the Tories are cutting taxes, whereas Labour are going to increase them, more proof they are anti-white working class.
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 21:12:33 GMT
I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. Talking about Brexit stopping the free movement of EU nations Let's look at the Cost to the Country and the Economy One report from 2022 found that two-thirds (66%) of large businesses said they would struggle to recruit employees with the skills they need. This was also broken down into specific sectors with 63% for education, 52% for manufacturing, and 52% for leisure and hospitality companies. The reason for such use Gap Brexit – When the UK left the EU, it caused a number of European workers to return to other EU countries, leaving a labour shortage in industries such as hospitality, healthcare and corporate support services Ive already stated to you I voted remain in 2016 , so why are you now telling me ending of freedom of movement , which I didnt personally vote for , is a bad thing with the EU? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 21:16:59 GMT
I voted remain in 2016 , but you are talking guff as normal. Brexit ended freedom of movement with the EU . Non EU immigration can be rightly laid at the door of the tories , as I said earlier , but no one , and I mean no one outside of your la la land seriously believes labour will control any immigration. When starmer tries to rejoin the EU , freedom of movement will come into play again , and the non EU immigration will continue , if not worsen under labours watch as we all know. I would hazard a guess most folk on this board support controlled immigration , which is something labour will not offer. What la la land i don't think labour will control immigration Has for them wanting to control Immigration on this board think Reform is the option.. I sure you don't agree with that option. I don't believe labour will control immigration , and neither does anyone else. Except you of course. Why do you keep telling me what my politics are , despite you not personally knowing me outside of this board.  I will tell you what I disagree with. Im a floating voter , who supports the break up of the uk and scot indy. Im a Scottish republican , non sectarian , and my father was a Scottish conservative , my mother Scottish labour. Neither one would vote for or recognise the current uk tory and labour parties. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 23:12:53 GMT
Read again Revised estimates showed last week that net migration reached a record 745,000 in 2022, after post-Brexit changes to the i5mmigration system brought in under Boris Johnson. Net migration for the year to June 2023 is estimated to have been slightly lower, at 672,000. The net figure for immigration went up to record levels under Johnson time has prime minister. The left obviously dislike him So much because he's an out and out lier like some of his Supporters. You must like him because net migration went up to record levels under Johnson ( according to you ). Its not Acording to Me it's a according to offical statement about immigration I copied and pasted. What like a lier that lied to the Country what lead to them that make a decision that has been Disastrous for the County Your kidding aren't you Let me ask you the question if your Against immigration so much why do you like in when immigration reached record levels under his Watch, |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 23:40:14 GMT
Ha ha is the Guy talking about the working class especially the white working class dont understand why you right wingers use race to try and get there point Across. Openly supports private Schools Keeping There Charity Status. But I let you explaine how a right wing Govenment has improved the lot for the Working class. Ok
They have increased the minimum wage to £10.42
child care costs Up to 15 or 30 hours of early education over 38 weeks of the year.
A total of 1,140 hours per year, that you can use flexibly with one or more
childcare providers.
Work from Home (WFH)
Working Tax credits from April is money provided to boost the income of working people who are on a low income.
Universal Credit is worth checking if you can get Universal Credit, even if you work full-time. There's no set amount of income where you stop being eligible for Universal Credit - it depends on your situation. If you're already claiming benefits, talk to an adviser first to check if you're better off on Universal Credit.
** What are Labour going to do to Top that ^^
Let's see what labour will do to top that How many people are in poverty? Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) data shows that around one in six people in the UK were in relative low income (relative poverty) before housing costs in 2021/22. This rises to just over one in five people once housing costs are accounted for. round 13% of people in the UK were in absolute low income before housing costs in 2021/22, and 17% were in absolute low income (absolute poverty) after housing costs. working-age adults without dependent children the likelihood of being in relative low income has increased. That's many house hold who are working with out Children poverty has increased . 44 per cent of children living in lone-parent families are in poverty.3 Lone parents face a higher risk of poverty due to the lack of an additional earner, low rates of maintenance payments, gender inequality in employment and pay, and childcare costs. Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK. 71 per cent of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one person works. Between 1998 and 2003 reducing child poverty was made a priority - with a comprehensive strategy and investment in children - and the number of children in poverty fell by 600,000 Has records show Labour wiLl take people out of poverty. poverty considerably worse, in the Thatcher and Major administrations than under Blair and Brown |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2024 23:52:39 GMT
You must like him because net migration went up to record levels under Johnson ( according to you ). Its not Acording to Me it's a according to offical statement about immigration I copied and pasted. What like a lier that lied to the Country what lead to them that make a decision that has been Disastrous for the County Your kidding aren't you Let me ask you the question if your Against immigration so much why do you like in when immigration reached record levels under his Watch, Stop waffling. You want more immigration and Johnson gave you what you wanted . He’s more your friend than mine . |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 13, 2024 23:56:54 GMT
Its not Acording to Me it's a according to offical statement about immigration I copied and pasted. What like a lier that lied to the Country what lead to them that make a decision that has been Disastrous for the County Your kidding aren't you Let me ask you the question if your Against immigration so much why do you like in when immigration reached record levels under his Watch, Stop waffling. You want more immigration and Johnson gave you what you wanted . He’s more your friend than mine . Oh right thought Johnson was your friend seeing he got you what you wanted a exit out of the EU. I must be wrong then? |
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