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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 11, 2024 16:44:28 GMT
German farmers have begun a week of nationwide demonstrations, blocking roads with tractors in protest against government plans to phase out agricultural subsidies. As Joachim Rukwied, president of the German Farmers’ Association (DBV), put it last month, ‘We will be present everywhere in a way the country has never seen before’. And the farmers are not alone. Lorry drivers, hauliers and tradespeople have also joined in the protests. The current wave of unrest was prompted back in December. The German government announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles – a move which would cost farmers on average €4,000 per year. The swift and organised response of the farmers has already frightened the government. On 4 January, it tried to backtrack by announcing that subsidies for new farm vehicles would remain, and that the tax breaks on diesel would be phased out gradually over the course of the next few years, rather than suddenly this year. But these moves have not assuaged farmers’ anger. They insist that the ‘future viability of our industry’ is at stake - linkNet zero is dead in the water. As more and more people begin to realise how net zero will affect their lives particularly financially, the more difficult it will become for virtue signalling politicians to force net zero on us. If the next government, Labour or Tory, continue to force net zero on people who don't want it and cant afford it, then people will vote for an alternative. |
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Post by piglet on Jan 19, 2024 14:01:57 GMT
I dont know the ins and outs, but whats fair is fair, even if it means the farmers miss out. In the 60s and 70s Europe produced food mountains, grain, wine, and meat that they could not sell, and yes, it was the French. They got payments for producing food nobody wanted or could sell, the EU were handing them money for this, it was a scandal at the time.
It has been said that the French farmers run france, and the EU, something similar is happening today, English farmers are not short. The depth and breadth of the corruption in the EU is unknown, and will never be known, the management of money, who decides, is unknown.
An auditor will lie, paid off, the truth will be hidden anyway, the EU stinks to high heaven.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 10:43:48 GMT
German farmers have begun a week of nationwide demonstrations, blocking roads with tractors in protest against government plans to phase out agricultural subsidies. As Joachim Rukwied, president of the German Farmers’ Association (DBV), put it last month, ‘We will be present everywhere in a way the country has never seen before’. And the farmers are not alone. Lorry drivers, hauliers and tradespeople have also joined in the protests. The current wave of unrest was prompted back in December. The German government announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles – a move which would cost farmers on average €4,000 per year. The swift and organised response of the farmers has already frightened the government. On 4 January, it tried to backtrack by announcing that subsidies for new farm vehicles would remain, and that the tax breaks on diesel would be phased out gradually over the course of the next few years, rather than suddenly this year. But these moves have not assuaged farmers’ anger. They insist that the ‘future viability of our industry’ is at stake - linkNet zero is dead in the water. As more and more people begin to realise how net zero will affect their lives particularly financially, the more difficult it will become for virtue signalling politicians to force net zero on us. If the next government, Labour or Tory, continue to force net zero on people who don't want it and cant afford it, then people will vote for an alternative. My first impression is that the problem is an economic one, nothing to do with green issues. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2024 10:48:26 GMT
German farmers have begun a week of nationwide demonstrations, blocking roads with tractors in protest against government plans to phase out agricultural subsidies. As Joachim Rukwied, president of the German Farmers’ Association (DBV), put it last month, ‘We will be present everywhere in a way the country has never seen before’. And the farmers are not alone. Lorry drivers, hauliers and tradespeople have also joined in the protests. The current wave of unrest was prompted back in December. The German government announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles – a move which would cost farmers on average €4,000 per year. The swift and organised response of the farmers has already frightened the government. On 4 January, it tried to backtrack by announcing that subsidies for new farm vehicles would remain, and that the tax breaks on diesel would be phased out gradually over the course of the next few years, rather than suddenly this year. But these moves have not assuaged farmers’ anger. They insist that the ‘future viability of our industry’ is at stake - linkNet zero is dead in the water. As more and more people begin to realise how net zero will affect their lives particularly financially, the more difficult it will become for virtue signalling politicians to force net zero on us. If the next government, Labour or Tory, continue to force net zero on people who don't want it and cant afford it, then people will vote for an alternative. My first impression is that the problem is an economic one, nothing to do with green issues. ! Tell me something, why do you suppose the German government have announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles? Take your time... |
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Post by Orac on Jan 27, 2024 10:50:06 GMT
The eco loons apply economic sanctions
It's obvious that every country needs significant local food production.
It's a base level of political independence.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2024 16:30:49 GMT
Talking of Green Tyranny... has anyone read it? Regardless of which side of the argument you're on it's a very interesting read. Synopsis: Rupert Darwall’s Green Tyranny traces the alarming origins of the green agenda, revealing how environmental scares have been deployed by our global rivals as a political instrument to contest American power around the world.
Drawing on extensive historical and policy analysis, this timely and provocative book offers a lucid history of environmental alarmism and failed policies, explaining how “scientific consensus” is manufactured and abused by politicians with duplicitous motives and totalitarian tendencies.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 17:56:44 GMT
My first impression is that the problem is an economic one, nothing to do with green issues. ! Tell me something, why do you suppose the German government have announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles? Take your time... No, you tell me how you connect the moves by the government to be about green issues. Bearing in mind that all fuels have gone up in price. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 18:01:25 GMT
Talking of Green Tyranny... has anyone read it? Regardless of which side of the argument you're on it's a very interesting read. Synopsis: Rupert Darwall’s Green Tyranny traces the alarming origins of the green agenda, revealing how environmental scares have been deployed by our global rivals as a political instrument to contest American power around the world.
Drawing on extensive historical and policy analysis, this timely and provocative book offers a lucid history of environmental alarmism and failed policies, explaining how “scientific consensus” is manufactured and abused by politicians with duplicitous motives and totalitarian tendencies.
What a joker, green issues are an essential issue in regards to the planet itself and to all living things on the planet. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2024 18:05:38 GMT
Really! Tell me something, why do you suppose the German government have announced plans to abolish tax breaks on agricultural diesel and introduce new taxes on farm vehicles? Take your time... No, you tell me how you connect the moves by the government to be about green issues. Bearing in mind that all fuels have gone up in price. Pillock. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2024 18:22:13 GMT
What a joker, green issues are an essential issue in regards to the planet itself and to all living things on the planet. You are naive, you may be well meaning, but you're gullible. Unilateral net zero is a nonsense, all it will achieve is economic collapse and as big economies have shown, multilateral net zero is not going to happen. China pretends to be on board with the green dream as they build more and more huge coal fired power stations, and Modi, prime minister of the biggest democracy in the world says climate change has nothing to do with India. US consumers pay less than half that of UK consumers for energy because the US are exploiting shale gas on a massive scale. When it comes to global warming/cooling/emissions/polar bears/pixies etc, the UK is too small to make a difference. But please, don't let that stop you demanding that politicians should trash the economy in order for you and other clueless lefties to look virtuous. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 27, 2024 20:14:57 GMT
Talking of Green Tyranny... has anyone read it? Regardless of which side of the argument you're on it's a very interesting read. Synopsis: Rupert Darwall’s Green Tyranny traces the alarming origins of the green agenda, revealing how environmental scares have been deployed by our global rivals as a political instrument to contest American power around the world.
Drawing on extensive historical and policy analysis, this timely and provocative book offers a lucid history of environmental alarmism and failed policies, explaining how “scientific consensus” is manufactured and abused by politicians with duplicitous motives and totalitarian tendencies.
What a joker, green issues are an essential issue in regards to the planet itself and to all living things on the planet. Agreed however what is very important is how they are decided, upon whom they are enacted, will they be effective, what science lies behind their introduction, who stands to gain from their application and do those against their introduction have valid arguments The obvious answer is it should affect all of the people, that seems to be far from what is happening though |
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