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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2024 12:08:54 GMT
Horizon scandal cover up. Grooming gangs ignored. Iraq war.
Bit shit really weren't they ?
you Let's compare that to the Right wings idol Thatcher cost of Thatcherism was mass unemployment, which remained a blight on the country well after she left office. Between 1955 and 1979, the unemployment rate in the U.K. averaged 3.3 per cent. Between 1980 and 1995, it averaged 9.7 per cent. increase in poverty. A helpful chart on the Guardian’s Web site shows the trend. If the poverty line is set at sixty per cent of median income, in 1979 13.4 per cent of households lived under it. By 1990, Mrs. Thatcher’s last year in power, the rate had shot up to 22.2 per cent. the high unemployment rates were a direct consequence of misguided government policies. Thatcher’s initial embrace of monetarism and austerity policies led to higher interest rates and a higher exchange rate for sterling, which was already rising because of the discovery of North Sea oil. An overvalued pound rendered large swaths of British industry uncompetitive with foreign suppliers, and export industries such as steel, shipbuilding, and engineering were decimated. Many towns and cities, particularly in the north, never properly recovered from the Thatcher-era deindustrialization, which is one of the reasons she is still very unpopular in many areas. The Troubles were at their height, and in Margaret Thatcher years. The British government under Margaret Thatcher misled the public and MPs about its dealings with the Pinochet regime in Chile while it tortured and killed thousands of people, declassified British documents show. You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Blair has destroyed the ability of the centre right to hold sway in the extremes of this once great sovereign state. He has destroyed the united, integrated provision of political support of business, health, transport, education, farming and a few other things using the excuse they might be better managed locally whilst all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. Furthermore his overall open door, ‘who the fuck cares how many we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. You only had to look at the Identity and Passport Service website under his fiefdom to see the smiling face of Ali Desai’s third cousin twice removed who married his sister to ensure the family wealth stayed where it was amassed, or the face of diane abbott’s cousin in mid orgasm on the Bbc News website registration page to see what destruction he has wreaked. As i have pointed out, both my grandfathers went to extraordinary lengths to thwart the attempts of Adolf Hitler to take over this country. I wish neither had bothered. An awful lot of the shittier things going on here now certainly wouldn’t be. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 19, 2024 14:33:20 GMT
My take on Blair
Iraq War WMDs or lack of them with no end game.
GM foods
Devolution encouraged and the delights of SNP and PLaid Cymru.
Police becoming revenue raisers through speed gun devices in the South.
Selling gold and the the 2008 Banking Crisis leading to a massive hit on national debt.
Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 14:54:13 GMT
My take on Blair Iraq War WMDs or lack of them with no end game. GM foods Devolution encouraged and the delights of SNP and PLaid Cymru. Police becoming revenue raisers through speed gun devices in the South. Selling gold and the the 2008 Banking Crisis leading to a massive hit on national debt. Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line. Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line. You do know that the Good Friday has Bought relative peace in NI . The Agreement went to a Referendum what the Marjority agreed on . Has for Kangaroo court what one found Guity out of the 100s illegally killed in NI by British troops and RUC . |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 15:05:16 GMT
you Let's compare that to the Right wings idol Thatcher cost of Thatcherism was mass unemployment, which remained a blight on the country well after she left office. Between 1955 and 1979, the unemployment rate in the U.K. averaged 3.3 per cent. Between 1980 and 1995, it averaged 9.7 per cent. increase in poverty. A helpful chart on the Guardian’s Web site shows the trend. If the poverty line is set at sixty per cent of median income, in 1979 13.4 per cent of households lived under it. By 1990, Mrs. Thatcher’s last year in power, the rate had shot up to 22.2 per cent. the high unemployment rates were a direct consequence of misguided government policies. Thatcher’s initial embrace of monetarism and austerity policies led to higher interest rates and a higher exchange rate for sterling, which was already rising because of the discovery of North Sea oil. An overvalued pound rendered large swaths of British industry uncompetitive with foreign suppliers, and export industries such as steel, shipbuilding, and engineering were decimated. Many towns and cities, particularly in the north, never properly recovered from the Thatcher-era deindustrialization, which is one of the reasons she is still very unpopular in many areas. The Troubles were at their height, and in Margaret Thatcher years. The British government under Margaret Thatcher misled the public and MPs about its dealings with the Pinochet regime in Chile while it tortured and killed thousands of people, declassified British documents show. You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Blair has destroyed the ability of the centre right to hold sway in the extremes of this once great sovereign state. He has destroyed the united, integrated provision of political support of business, health, transport, education, farming and a few other things using the excuse they might be better managed locally whilst all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. Furthermore his overall open door, ‘who the fuck cares how many we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. You only had to look at the Identity and Passport Service website under his fiefdom to see the smiling face of Ali Desai’s third cousin twice removed who married his sister to ensure the family wealth stayed where it was amassed, or the face of diane abbott’s cousin in mid orgasm on the Bbc News website registration page to see what destruction he has wreaked. As i have pointed out, both my grandfathers went to extraordinary lengths to thwart the attempts of Adolf Hitler to take over this country. I wish neither had bothered. An awful lot of the shittier things going on here now certainly wouldn’t be. You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Really so your saying the Born between 1979-1990 are dead i was born in 1963 and still alive. There 19% of the County's population are the over 65s Dont know where on earth you got Most were dead ? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 15:13:17 GMT
You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Blair has destroyed the ability of the centre right to hold sway in the extremes of this once great sovereign state. He has destroyed the united, integrated provision of political support of business, health, transport, education, farming and a few other things using the excuse they might be better managed locally whilst all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. Furthermore his overall open door, ‘who the fuck cares how many we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. You only had to look at the Identity and Passport Service website under his fiefdom to see the smiling face of Ali Desai’s third cousin twice removed who married his sister to ensure the family wealth stayed where it was amassed, or the face of diane abbott’s cousin in mid orgasm on the Bbc News website registration page to see what destruction he has wreaked. As i have pointed out, both my grandfathers went to extraordinary lengths to thwart the attempts of Adolf Hitler to take over this country. I wish neither had bothered. An awful lot of the shittier things going on here now certainly wouldn’t be. You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Really so your saying the Born between 1979-1990 are dead i was born in 1963 and still alive. There 19% of the County's population are the over 65s Dont know where on earth you got Most were dead ? all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. That's well gone . we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. Immigration has gone up Massively since we got Control of our Boarders . Since Brexit 😂 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2024 15:16:43 GMT
You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Blair has destroyed the ability of the centre right to hold sway in the extremes of this once great sovereign state. He has destroyed the united, integrated provision of political support of business, health, transport, education, farming and a few other things using the excuse they might be better managed locally whilst all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. Furthermore his overall open door, ‘who the fuck cares how many we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. You only had to look at the Identity and Passport Service website under his fiefdom to see the smiling face of Ali Desai’s third cousin twice removed who married his sister to ensure the family wealth stayed where it was amassed, or the face of diane abbott’s cousin in mid orgasm on the Bbc News website registration page to see what destruction he has wreaked. As i have pointed out, both my grandfathers went to extraordinary lengths to thwart the attempts of Adolf Hitler to take over this country. I wish neither had bothered. An awful lot of the shittier things going on here now certainly wouldn’t be. You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Really so your saying the Born between 1979-1990 are dead i was born in 1963 and still alive. There 19% of the County's population are the over 65s Dont know where on earth you got Most were dead ? you need to check the life expectancy of her prime target. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2024 15:21:47 GMT
You overlook the fact Thatcher’s destruction of the livelihoods of millions is long gone, the people she blighted are for the most part as dead as she is, or soon will be, and the only really lasting damage she has done is to the cost of housing Really so your saying the Born between 1979-1990 are dead i was born in 1963 and still alive. There 19% of the County's population are the over 65s Dont know where on earth you got Most were dead ? all the while handing control of such to the european superstate whose rancid arse he happily kisses. That's well gone . we let in’ immigration policy and his illegal and fraudulent implementation of fast tracked visas for indians has filled this once reasonably identifiable sovereign state with all manner of aliens whose presence destroys the entire culture and identity of the state. Immigration has gone up Massively since we got Control of our Boarders . Since Brexit 😂 care to show me where the numbers of legal immigrants exceeds the numbers blair let in. However, you once again spectacularly miss the point Every one of those arriving at our border and LEGALLY requesting entry to come here to work comes here at the invitation of 650 (soon to be less) people who have to defend their record every couple of years. Prior to 2021/22 any fucker with a shoddily constructed puce piece of shit could demand a NINO whether we wanted them or not. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 19, 2024 15:23:06 GMT
My take on Blair Iraq War WMDs or lack of them with no end game. GM foods Devolution encouraged and the delights of SNP and PLaid Cymru. Police becoming revenue raisers through speed gun devices in the South. Selling gold and the the 2008 Banking Crisis leading to a massive hit on national debt. Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line. I can't stand Blair , but he didnt encourage devolution Bancroft. Devolution was something that had simmered in the background for most of the twentieth century , culminating in the farcical devolution referendum of 1979 , when a yes vote was gerrymandered into a no vote , and then the subsequent appeals to the United Nations and council of Europe. In Alistair Campbells book the Blair years , he recalls Blair swearing and calling the council of Europes recommendations to the then major government , which he inherited , as a damn nuisance. Blair was forced to do what the conservatives would have been forced to do by the council or Europe...... good article here... From 1994 on the Committee of Ministers started monitoring the democratic systems
of all the European states, members and aspiring members of the CoE alike. It was
obvious from the start that it could not make exceptions, that existing Western
member states had to be judged by the same standards that were being applied to the
former Communist countries.
When the monitoring committee got round to the UK in June 1996 its report was
politely damning. It dealt not only with Scotland, but also with Wales, and it undid
the Thatcherite changes to the administration of London. Later additions dealt with
other constitutional deficiencies like the method of appointing Scottish judges.
The most humiliating of all was that it bracketed the UK in a group with Bulgaria,
Croatia, Latvia, Moldova and Ukraine as one of six states having “major problems in
meeting standards of democracy.”
Devolution thereby ceased to be a political party issue and became a foreign policy
commitment that had to be implemented, no matter what government was in office in
London.
John Major and the Conservatives were no doubt very thankful that this hot potato
bounced onto the lap of Tony Blair and the Labour leadership, whose efforts to kill
the Strasbourg action, even while out of office, had resulted in a monumental.
diplomatic disaster that never achieved publicity.
The Council of Europe issued a statement making it pointedly clear that failure to
abide by the international norms of pluralist democracy “would be incompatible with
membership of the Council.
The Tories had stubbornly dragged their feet over the UK’s accession to the Charter
of Local Self-Government, but then, in March 1997, a few weeks before the election
that brought Blair’s Labour government to power, the Council of Europe pointedly
spelled out the sanctions that would be applied, in a series of escalating steps, to any
European state that did not “fully and swiftly comply with the basic democratic
principles that are at the heart of the European Ideal.”
In plain language, get Scotland, Wales, etc. sorted out or be expelled from the Council
of Europe in the most humiliatingly public manner – a step that would have had
devastating international consequences, especially just a few weeks before the UK
presidency of the European Union.
Total capitulation followed. With the entire international diplomatic corps breathing
down its neck, the new UK government signed the Charter on 3 June 1997 (the last
one in Europe to do so) and brought in bills for devolution to Scotland and Wales – to
written approval by Strasbourg, but described by Blair as “a damnable nuisance.”
The fulfilment of this foreign policy obligation was therefore a diplomatic and not a
political decision. electricscotland.com/independence/DevolutionandtheLabourMyth.pdf |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 19, 2024 15:46:01 GMT
Here's another view Bronwen Maddox (BM): Let’s jump back 20 years. What did you see as the purpose of devolution? Tony Blair (TB): The purpose of devolution was to bring about a new settlement between the constituent parts of the UK so that decision making was brought closer to the people who felt a strong sense of identity. And politically, also, to ward off the bigger threat of secession. BM: And that was why you put it in the manifesto back at that point [1997]? TB: Yes. I mean, it was the established Labour Party position but, essentially, I took the view that it was right in principle and necessary politically. And before I became Labour leader it was clear that was the pretty established and settled position of the Labour Party. So frankly, it would have been hard to change it even if I had wanted to, but I had become convinced myself that it was basically the right thing to do and that the previous 100 years had been a series of failed attempts to do devolution. And it was important that we succeeded otherwise I could see a situation, particularly in Scotland, where the support for independence would be unstoppable. And I still think it was basically necessary to prevent that even though it’s a continuing debate as to whether Scotland goes for full independence or not. Source www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/tony-blair_0.pdf |
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 15:53:44 GMT
Here's another view Bronwen Maddox (BM): Let’s jump back 20 years. What did you see as the purpose of devolution? Tony Blair (TB): The purpose of devolution was to bring about a new settlement between the constituent parts of the UK so that decision making was brought closer to the people who felt a strong sense of identity. And politically, also, to ward off the bigger threat of secession. BM: And that was why you put it in the manifesto back at that point [1997]? TB: Yes. I mean, it was the established Labour Party position but, essentially, I took the view that it was right in principle and necessary politically. And before I became Labour leader it was clear that was the pretty established and settled position of the Labour Party. So frankly, it would have been hard to change it even if I had wanted to, but I had become convinced myself that it was basically the right thing to do and that the previous 100 years had been a series of failed attempts to do devolution. And it was important that we succeeded otherwise I could see a situation, particularly in Scotland, where the support for independence would be unstoppable. And I still think it was basically necessary to prevent that even though it’s a continuing debate as to whether Scotland goes for full independence or not. Source www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/tony-blair_0.pdf Oh dear Thomas isn't going to like that 😂 |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 19, 2024 17:53:19 GMT
The Good Friday Agreement (a watered down cop out) which took the credit for the work of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, (who fought the IRA so hard the IRA realised they couldn't win through force of arms and started talking).
Labour dropped requirements of disarmament. They basically surrendered to the IRA. The death of Lyra McKee occurred because disarmament didn't happen.
So... Fuck Blair.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 19, 2024 18:10:03 GMT
The Good Friday Agreement (a watered down cop out) which took the credit for the work of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, (who fought the IRA so hard the IRA realised they couldn't win through force of arms and started talking). Labour dropped requirements of disarmament. They basically surrendered to the IRA. The death of Lyra McKee occurred because disarmament didn't happen. So... Fuck Blair. Seems you be happy if the Death of Hundreds of British Soldiers was still happening .Some pariot you are . |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 19, 2024 18:25:24 GMT
The most disgusting thing Blair did was to give an amnesty to the IRA terrorists and hang our troops out to dry to be prosecuted.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 19, 2024 19:27:26 GMT
My take on Blair Iraq War WMDs or lack of them with no end game. GM foods Devolution encouraged and the delights of SNP and PLaid Cymru. Police becoming revenue raisers through speed gun devices in the South. Selling gold and the the 2008 Banking Crisis leading to a massive hit on national debt. Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line. Good Friday agreement setting up our old soldiers for kangaroo courts later down the line. You do know that the Good Friday has Bought relative peace in NI . The Agreement went to a Referendum what the Marjority agreed on . Has for Kangaroo court what one found Guity out of the 100s illegally killed in NI by British troops and RUC . when that murdering evil shitbag McGuinness was finally ejected from his gravy train by the grim reaper and cast into the hell he richly deserved, the cock sucking Bbc said ‘he leaves behind a widow and ….’ To their credit, the times printed a correction from a former military man that the evil bastard had actually left behind quite a few… |
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Post by thomas on Jan 20, 2024 10:32:42 GMT
Here's another view Bronwen Maddox (BM): Let’s jump back 20 years. What did you see as the purpose of devolution? Tony Blair (TB): The purpose of devolution was to bring about a new settlement between the constituent parts of the UK so that decision making was brought closer to the people who felt a strong sense of identity. And politically, also, to ward off the bigger threat of secession. BM: And that was why you put it in the manifesto back at that point [1997]? TB: Yes. I mean, it was the established Labour Party position but, essentially, I took the view that it was right in principle and necessary politically. And before I became Labour leader it was clear that was the pretty established and settled position of the Labour Party. So frankly, it would have been hard to change it even if I had wanted to, but I had become convinced myself that it was basically the right thing to do and that the previous 100 years had been a series of failed attempts to do devolution. And it was important that we succeeded otherwise I could see a situation, particularly in Scotland, where the support for independence would be unstoppable. And I still think it was basically necessary to prevent that even though it’s a continuing debate as to whether Scotland goes for full independence or not. Source www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/tony-blair_0.pdf sure Bancroft , Blair and new labour would say that wouldn't they ? The excuse that devolution was implemented to kill independence stone dead has been laughed at in Scotland and elsewhere for a quarter of a century , since labour first came out with that whopper. The facts speak for themselves. Labour were absolutely against any form of devolution all through the majority of the twentieth century. It was labour mp robin cook who infamously devised the anti democratic 40%rule that gerrymandered the 1979 devolution referendum from a yes to a no. It was labour councils who did everything they could in that referendum to stop people registering to vote. They had the dead voting no. If as your article claims it was Blair merely bowing to political events and the way the winds were blowing , why did he call his masterplan a damnable nuisance ? Could anyone actually argue it was any sort of masterplan to stop Scottish indy ? Judge the events for yourself? |
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