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Post by bancroft on Nov 13, 2022 16:21:23 GMT
When a 'failed' lying, corrupt PM can command a 'fee' of £300k for hours talk and a nice fireside chat and a failed lying PM can receive £400k to appear on TV, and food banks are running short of donations we should be asking ourselves why such an imbalance is there. There is plenty of money, some people are awash with it while others, including children, go hungry. There's the public sector and the private sector. The public sector is paid for by the tax payer. The NHS is in the public sector. People who work in the NHS are pretty well paid - £37k is the median salary. They also have very good job security and pensions that are the envy of the private sector. The balance between the two sectors has been skewed over the years and it needs a correction because the private sector can't compete with the salaries that the public sector pay. Unfortunately the public sector is the last bastion of the unions so it never happens. But the NHS should be stripped of their right to strike. I've no idea why this hasn't happened long ago. You quote the median salary, would be interesting to know the average or mean salary too. The difference statistically is important. What is the deal with new nurses now, do they need to be graduates of nursing with needing to pay student loans? The salaries for starting are low 20's yet is similar for the police too, so we see whatever is decided will have a knock-on effect across state funded services. Both jobs are front-line jobs and dangerous for different reasons yet not most of the time. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 13, 2022 16:26:17 GMT
When a 'failed' lying, corrupt PM can command a 'fee' of £300k for hours talk and a nice fireside chat and a failed lying PM can receive £400k to appear on TV, and food banks are running short of donations we should be asking ourselves why such an imbalance is there. There is plenty of money, some people are awash with it while others, including children, go hungry. The world doesn’t work like that . If you are implying we need a socialist society then I have bad news . It doesn’t work either . I agree it never has worked, and it only works until they run out of other people's money |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 16:39:47 GMT
The world doesn’t work like that . If you are implying we need a socialist society then I have bad news . It doesn’t work either . I agree it never has worked, and it only works until they run out of other people's money And when this is pointed out , they blame you . This pretty much sums up the woke , virtue signallers . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 17:11:43 GMT
How can something that has never happened be exposed? And you accuse me of nit picking . Thats stating a fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 17:13:09 GMT
The world doesn’t work like that . If you are implying we need a socialist society then I have bad news . It doesn’t work either . I agree it never has worked, and it only works until they run out of other people's money There is no such thing as a truly 'socialist' or 'capitalist', most western government are a mixture of both. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 17:14:33 GMT
I agree it never has worked, and it only works until they run out of other people's money And when this is pointed out , they blame you . This pretty much sums up the woke , virtue signallers . Which is exactly what you do. 🥅 |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 17:16:07 GMT
And you accuse me of nit picking . Thats stating a fact. Then it applies to you . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 17:16:41 GMT
And when this is pointed out , they blame you . This pretty much sums up the woke , virtue signallers . Which is exactly what you do. 🥅 There you go again . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 8:26:07 GMT
You 'expose' something that has happened not something that has not happened. 😂 |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2022 17:31:00 GMT
You 'expose' something that has happened not something that has not happened. 😂 More nit picking from you . |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 15, 2022 3:48:17 GMT
There's the public sector and the private sector. The public sector is paid for by the tax payer. The NHS is in the public sector. People who work in the NHS are pretty well paid - £37k is the median salary. They also have very good job security and pensions that are the envy of the private sector. The balance between the two sectors has been skewed over the years and it needs a correction because the private sector can't compete with the salaries that the public sector pay. Unfortunately the public sector is the last bastion of the unions so it never happens. But the NHS should be stripped of their right to strike. I've no idea why this hasn't happened long ago. You quote the median salary, would be interesting to know the average or mean salary too. The difference statistically is important. What is the deal with new nurses now, do they need to be graduates of nursing with needing to pay student loans? The salaries for starting are low 20's yet is similar for the police too, so we see whatever is decided will have a knock-on effect across state funded services. Both jobs are front-line jobs and dangerous for different reasons yet not most of the time. Starting salary for a nurse is £27k (£13.84 ph)... with shift premiums (30% nights, 60% sundays/bh) that will be well over £30k. Anybody quoting "low 20's" is using misleading figures, as those pay bands are for healthcare assistants, not nurses. |
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 15, 2022 3:58:28 GMT
Yes folks that right, nurses demand 17%. Do you agree, or do you think 17% is ridiculous? I'll tell you where I stand on this; I have some sympathy with nurses, but not 17% worth of sympathy. A 17% pay rise is so unrealistic it's laughable. They claim they are on the front line, well I'll tell you what my experience of life on the front line is like. No right to strike, pay freeze year on year followed by an eventual 1½% pay rise and I'm talking about the real front line. I sense nurses are going to lose a lot of support over such an unrealistic pay demand.
Unfortunately, it's not just nurses. The entire public sector has been on a pay freeze for most of the last decade.
NHS workers, teachers, emergency services etc. etc. are all on 20% less in real terms than they were ten years ago.
Yeah, yeah but "Covid", "Ukraine" blah, blah, blah... But these workers have had their pay frozen for years before either of those and it's not a situation that can persist indefinitely.
And certainly not with inflation at 10%.
Nurses got a bumper deal through the Agenda for Change 2018-2021 pay rises, and the time taken to get to top of band was decreased dramatically. They are still around 6% down on where they should have been. Teachers and the police are way behind though, there pay is now so shit I am surprised anybody is willing to do it. Personally, I think the entire public sector should receive an inflation matching pay rise every year. |
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