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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 14:47:53 GMT
When a 'failed' lying, corrupt PM can command a 'fee' of £300k for hours talk and a nice fireside chat and a failed lying PM can receive £400k to appear on TV, and food banks are running short of donations we should be asking ourselves why such an imbalance is there. There is plenty of money, some people are awash with it while others, including children, go hungry. The world doesn’t work like that . If you are implying we need a socialist society then I have bad news . It doesn’t work either . So you are 'happy' that there are poor people or more correctly, because I know how you like to nit-pick, people who are unable to buy food and have to resort to foodbanks while others, who incidentally tell them that they cannot have an actual rise in their pay, are living off the fat of the land? "it's just the way it is". |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2022 14:53:46 GMT
The world doesn’t work like that . If you are implying we need a socialist society then I have bad news . It doesn’t work either . So you are 'happy' that there are poor people or more correctly, because I know how you like to nit-pick, people who are unable to buy food and have to resort to foodbanks while others, who incidentally tell them that they cannot have an actual rise in their pay, are living off the fat of the land? "it's just the way it is". Me pointing out your naive world view does not equal cynicism. Everyone living a comfortable life requires a societal framework for it to work. You havent provided that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 17:53:22 GMT
So you are 'happy' that there are poor people or more correctly, because I know how you like to nit-pick, people who are unable to buy food and have to resort to foodbanks while others, who incidentally tell them that they cannot have an actual rise in their pay, are living off the fat of the land? "it's just the way it is". Me pointing out your naive world view does not equal cynicism. Everyone living a comfortable life requires a societal framework for it to work. You havent provided that. Word mash, unintelligible. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2022 18:03:56 GMT
Me pointing out your naive world view does not equal cynicism. Everyone living a comfortable life requires a societal framework for it to work. You havent provided that. Word mash, unintelligible. Your avoidance is noted . Pointing out your infantile view of the world does make me bad . For everyone to live a comfortable lifestyle we need the social structure for it to work . You haven’t a clue what that structure would be . Made it easier for you . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 5:55:37 GMT
Word mash, unintelligible. Your avoidance is noted . Pointing out your infantile view of the world does make me bad . For everyone to live a comfortable lifestyle we need the social structure for it to work . You haven’t a clue what that structure would be . Made it easier for you . I do not need to provide anything. Do you believe it is impossible for all the people to have a 'comfortable' life and why do you not believe it is not possible. Do you believe that some people are entitled to a better life than others? When wealthy people tell you "We are all in it together", do you believe them? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 13, 2022 8:28:07 GMT
When a 'failed' lying, corrupt PM can command a 'fee' of £300k for hours talk and a nice fireside chat and a failed lying PM can receive £400k to appear on TV, and food banks are running short of donations we should be asking ourselves why such an imbalance is there. There is plenty of money, some people are awash with it while others, including children, go hungry. There's the public sector and the private sector. The public sector is paid for by the tax payer. The NHS is in the public sector. People who work in the NHS are pretty well paid - £37k is the median salary. They also have very good job security and pensions that are the envy of the private sector. The balance between the two sectors has been skewed over the years and it needs a correction because the private sector can't compete with the salaries that the public sector pay. Unfortunately the public sector is the last bastion of the unions so it never happens. But the NHS should be stripped of their right to strike. I've no idea why this hasn't happened long ago. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 10:07:59 GMT
Your avoidance is noted . Pointing out your infantile view of the world does make me bad . For everyone to live a comfortable lifestyle we need the social structure for it to work . You haven’t a clue what that structure would be . Made it easier for you . I do not need to provide anything. Do you believe it is impossible for all the people to have a 'comfortable' life and why do you not believe it is not possible. Do you believe that some people are entitled to a better life than others? When wealthy people tell you "We are all in it together", do you believe them? If you believe that we should live in utopia but cannot provide a way to obtain or construct that utopia then you are just fantasising. Your trouble is that you don’t like it when this is pointed out . Is this simple enough to understand? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 10:23:00 GMT
When a 'failed' lying, corrupt PM can command a 'fee' of £300k for hours talk and a nice fireside chat and a failed lying PM can receive £400k to appear on TV, and food banks are running short of donations we should be asking ourselves why such an imbalance is there. There is plenty of money, some people are awash with it while others, including children, go hungry. There's the public sector and the private sector. The public sector is paid for by the tax payer. The NHS is in the public sector. People who work in the NHS are pretty well paid - £37k is the median salary. They also have very good job security and pensions that are the envy of the private sector. The balance between the two sectors has been skewed over the years and it needs a correction because the private sector can't compete with the salaries that the public sector pay. Unfortunately the public sector is the last bastion of the unions so it never happens. But the NHS should be stripped of their right to strike. I've no idea why this hasn't happened long ago. You are, actually advocating forced labour. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 10:25:34 GMT
I do not need to provide anything. Do you believe it is impossible for all the people to have a 'comfortable' life and why do you not believe it is not possible. Do you believe that some people are entitled to a better life than others? When wealthy people tell you "We are all in it together", do you believe them? If you believe that we should live in utopia but cannot provide a way to obtain or construct that utopia then you are just fantasising. Your trouble is that you don’t like it when this is pointed out . Is this simple enough to understand? You may call it utopia; I would say it is redressing an imbalance. It is people, like you, who clutch their pearls and cry "we can't afford it" that are playing into the hands of the wealthiest and sustaining the status quo. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 10:39:54 GMT
If you believe that we should live in utopia but cannot provide a way to obtain or construct that utopia then you are just fantasising. Your trouble is that you don’t like it when this is pointed out . Is this simple enough to understand? You may call it utopia; I would say it is redressing an imbalance. It is people, like you, who clutch their pearls and cry "we can't afford it" that are playing into the hands of the wealthiest and sustaining the status quo. You spout your fantasy and get upset when it is exposed as a fantasy. You are the one clutching your pearls and crying . Come back when you have a clue how your fantasy can become real . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 12:53:32 GMT
You may call it utopia; I would say it is redressing an imbalance. It is people, like you, who clutch their pearls and cry "we can't afford it" that are playing into the hands of the wealthiest and sustaining the status quo. You spout your fantasy and get upset when it is exposed as a fantasy. You are the one clutching your pearls and crying . Come back when you have a clue how your fantasy can become real . How has it been exposed as a fantasy? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 13, 2022 13:21:01 GMT
Yes folks that right, nurses demand 17%. Do you agree, or do you think 17% is ridiculous? I'll tell you where I stand on this; I have some sympathy with nurses, but not 17% worth of sympathy. A 17% pay rise is so unrealistic it's laughable. They claim they are on the front line, well I'll tell you what my experience of life on the front line is like. No right to strike, pay freeze year on year followed by an eventual 1½% pay rise and I'm talking about the real front line. I sense nurses are going to lose a lot of support over such an unrealistic pay demand.
Unfortunately, it's not just nurses. The entire public sector has been on a pay freeze for most of the last decade.
NHS workers, teachers, emergency services etc. etc. are all on 20% less in real terms than they were ten years ago.
Yeah, yeah but "Covid", "Ukraine" blah, blah, blah... But these workers have had their pay frozen for years before either of those and it's not a situation that can persist indefinitely.
And certainly not with inflation at 10%.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 14:59:49 GMT
You spout your fantasy and get upset when it is exposed as a fantasy. You are the one clutching your pearls and crying . Come back when you have a clue how your fantasy can become real . How has it been exposed as a fantasy? It’s never happened an you obviously no clue regarding how to make it happen so it is a fantasy . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 15:10:36 GMT
How has it been exposed as a fantasy? It’s never happened an you obviously no clue regarding how to make it happen so it is a fantasy . How can something that has never happened be exposed? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2022 15:17:59 GMT
It’s never happened an you obviously no clue regarding how to make it happen so it is a fantasy . How can something that has never happened be exposed? And you accuse me of nit picking . |
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