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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 15:07:22 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 13, 2024 15:13:52 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
In the same way as the UK parliament can "withdraw the whip". |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 15:16:49 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
In the same way as the UK parliament can "withdraw the whip". Total remainers bullshit....There is no comparison. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 13, 2024 15:17:41 GMT
Labour will just quietly slip back while calling new agreements by anorher name. If the people were stupid enough to swallow Brexit lies, they'll never notice. I think we all realise what labour `hope` to do , but I think you need to detach wishful thinking and perhaps arrogance from your political discourse regarding Brexit. The Labour Party attitude that the people are all stupid has been done to death many a time , and as ever its often labours achilles heel. You aren't addressing my earlier post though. How does keir starmer , with the backing of a mere fifth of the uk electorate , meaning four fifths aren't daft enough to support labour take the uk back into the EU without majority of support , maintain stability In the process , while stopping the world laughing at England crawling back on its hands and knees ? The Russians , the Chinese , and many other enemies are going to be making sure everyone knows who the master and who the slave is in terms of England/brussels relationships. There's quite a difference to mocking brexiters for believing in sunny Brexit uplands , and the reality of watching the world laugh as London begs forgiveness to Brussels for leaving the European Union , and we all know it. Im not sure being subject to the European courts , freedom of movement , joining the euro , etc etc while the world laughs is going to be something the English public especially will want to swallow. Just saying , I would be careful of being overconfident. I firmly believe starmers polling lead is extremely shallow , with many tory and snp voters not responding to polls hence the consistent large labour majority. The pollsters are saying there is going to be an extremely low turnout based on low response rates from snap and tory voters and others certain to vote. If those CTV does increase , labours impressive lead drops significantly . |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 13, 2024 16:18:30 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
In the same way as the UK parliament can "withdraw the whip". I do not think so, the right to vote remains with the MP and withdrawing the whip is not a parliamentary procedure it is a party procedure. Removing a voting right is a different kettle of fish altogether. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2024 16:34:33 GMT
Why? Is it a tad incovenient for you zany? Cameron asked for concessions befor Brexit and they sent him away with a flea in his ear. At least he was eelcted unlike the wankers in the EUSSR. There were were many of the UK population who were hovering on vote to leave or remain and that changed a great many peoples minds and sealed the fete of the remainers....A home goal by the EUSSR.......Glory be and pass the gunpowder. No they didn't, but I'm done with filling the details in for you. You carry on believing what you want and don't trouble yourself with education. I'm sure the hod carriers really think you know your stuff. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2024 16:38:16 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
One thing is certain. They should never have let Hungary join. Could they offer Putin a swap. You give us Ukraine and we'll give you Hungary. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 16:54:10 GMT
Why? Is it a tad incovenient for you zany? Cameron asked for concessions befor Brexit and they sent him away with a flea in his ear. At least he was eelcted unlike the wankers in the EUSSR. There were were many of the UK population who were hovering on vote to leave or remain and that changed a great many peoples minds and sealed the fete of the remainers....A home goal by the EUSSR.......Glory be and pass the gunpowder. No they didn't, but I'm done with filling the details in for you. You carry on believing what you want and don't trouble yourself with education. I'm sure the hod carriers really think you know your stuff. You aint got a clue zany and when the going gets tuff you trun on the personal abuse. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 16:55:56 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
Could they offer Putin a swap. You give us Ukraine and we'll give you Hungary. Why not they are in europe unlike turkey. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 13, 2024 17:13:34 GMT
MEPs support petition to deprive Orban of right to vote....... he EUSSR has amassed the necessary number of signatures, specifically 120, under a petition aimed at stripping Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban of his voting rights in the EUSSR Council, writes Petri Sarvamaa, a Member of the European Parliament and the initiator of the petition, on X.
One thing is certain. They should never have let Hungary join. Could they offer Putin a swap. You give us Ukraine and we'll give you Hungary. What makes you think Ukraine will be any different as even with the most defensive assessment there are many Far righters in Ukraine which make groups we have outlawed here appear like Sunday School picnickers |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2024 17:16:22 GMT
No they didn't, but I'm done with filling the details in for you. You carry on believing what you want and don't trouble yourself with education. I'm sure the hod carriers really think you know your stuff. You aint got a clue zany and when the going gets tuff you trun on the personal abuse. You're right as you have nothing to say and never check your facts or apologise when you are proved wrong again and again. I should ignore you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2024 17:57:29 GMT
Again you ignore my words and reinterpret them into something I didnt say that better fits your ideological assumptions. I specifically said that to be effective it would have to be across the broad spectrum of the economy. That anyone earning enough to be taxed on their income would pay it. And that the percentage would be the same for everybody, including the rich, and including those on 20k. And this instead of massive hikes in interest rates. How on earth is this "simply falling back on this tax the rich mantra" ? So the easiest/cheapest way of achieving that goal is to hike VAT Which will increase prices and thereby increase inflation when the object is to reduce inflation. Which is why a percentage levy on incomes would be more effective as an anti-inflationary measure. Yet your ideological opposition to progressive taxes on incomes seems to be preventing you from recognising that. Can you not see that using a tax which increases prices as an anti-inflation measure is logically silly? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2024 18:02:37 GMT
So the easiest/cheapest way of achieving that goal is to hike VAT when the object is to reduce inflation. Which is why a percentage levy on incomes would be more effective as an anti-inflationary measure. Yet your ideological opposition to progressive taxes on incomes seems to be preventing you from recognising that. Can you not see that using a tax which increases prices as an anti-inflation measure is logically silly? Higher prices reduce demand - which is the thing that you are trying to achieve. Progressive taxes are a great way of redistributing wealth - as vehicle for stopping inflation they are pretty useless (as explained previously). |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2024 18:10:14 GMT
Which will increase prices and thereby increase inflation when the object is to reduce inflation. Which is why a percentage levy on incomes would be more effective as an anti-inflationary measure. Yet your ideological opposition to progressive taxes on incomes seems to be preventing you from recognising that. Can you not see that using a tax which increases prices as an anti-inflation measure is logically silly? Higher prices reduce demand - which is the thing that you are trying to achieve. Progressive taxes are a great way of redistributing wealth - as vehicle for stopping inflation they are pretty useless (as explained previously). I missed your explanation. Progressive tax takes money out of peoples pockets giving them less to spend. It does this across the spectrum (Though I accept millionaires would not be stopped) Interest rate hikes take money out of peoples pockets giving them less to spend. It does this for a small number of the population. What's the difference? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2024 18:35:55 GMT
Higher prices reduce demand - which is the thing that you are trying to achieve. Progressive taxes are a great way of redistributing wealth - as vehicle for stopping inflation they are pretty useless (as explained previously). I missed your explanation. Progressive tax takes money out of peoples pockets giving them less to spend. It does this across the spectrum (Though I accept millionaires would not be stopped) Interest rate hikes take money out of peoples pockets giving them less to spend. It does this for a small number of the population. What's the difference? The problem with progressive taxes as a vehicle for reducing inflation is that, by definition, they are progressive. So the vast majority of the country will have little to no increase in taxation (and thus no effect on demand) and those at the other end of the spectrum have the means to continue their consumption by cutting back in other areas. The reason that every Central Bank in the world uses interest rates to curtail inflation is that it affects a wide spectrum of the economy - which is what you need when your wish is to reduce demand in the economy. |
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