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Post by Pacifico on Jan 6, 2024 18:02:57 GMT
My nephew is currently applying to join the Navy but is getting the runaround - being white english it seems is a problem..
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 18:07:58 GMT
My nephew is currently applying to join the Navy but is getting the runaround - being white english it seems is a problem.. He's white and English, and he actually got an interview! Someone will in for a bollocking. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 6, 2024 18:13:03 GMT
I don't believe a word of it, with all those new arrivals with a great deal of sea going experience, who are obviously intelligent enough to constantly outwit the authorities, they must have a constant stream of recruits after the amnesties handed out.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 6, 2024 20:05:31 GMT
Grant Shapps has been tipped to retire two [Royal Marines] assault ships as the UK’s sailor shortage threatens to plunge the armed forces into crisis. The proposal put forward by the defence secretary aims to retire both HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark from active service. Critics have blasted the move as “the beginning of the end for the Royal Marines”. A source familiar with the plans told The Times that it would weaken one of the force's central purposes, namely, storming beaches from the sea. MoD figures have revealed the navy is the worst-performing of Britain’s armed forces for recruitment, having just 29,000 full-time recruits. The shortage of sailors is also threatening to other ships in the fleet with the MoD also planning to decommission two older vessels, HMS Westminster and HMS Argyll this year. www.gbnews.com/news/grant-shapps-assault-ships-hms-albion-bulwark-warning-royal-marinesIt's incredible, with so much global instability you could be forgiven for thinking a sensible government would be strengthening our armed forces particularly the navy since we are an island nation. A few days ago Sunak was talking about sending British war ships to the gulf to protect international shipping, I think he had better check to see whether we have any left. Perhaps recruitment may not be in crisis if the navy weren't prioritising black transgender recruits. And lets not forget, this is under a Tory government! God help us when Labour are in power. How would being transgender affect performance ability? It wasn't so long ago that the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. How on earth are transgender recruits worse than violent criminals? The only person i know offered that choice went to fight in the Suez Crisis after standing as lookout while his dad and mates blagged a post office at dead of night. That chap turned 75 on New Year’s day. Just how ‘recent’ were the offers you refer to ?? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 6, 2024 22:26:22 GMT
How would being transgender affect performance ability? It wasn't so long ago that the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. How on earth are transgender recruits worse than violent criminals? The only person i know offered that choice went to fight in the Suez Crisis after standing as lookout while his dad and mates blagged a post office at dead of night. That chap turned 75 on New Year’s day. Just how ‘recent’ were the offers you refer to ?? I've no idea. I've always assumed that it was ongoing at least during the early stages of the troubles in Northern Ireland. I remember reading something about IRA scumbag Martin McGuinness. There was some sort of controversy about Irish criminals in Britain. His response was that Britain was sending criminals to Ireland in the form of soldiers given a choice between prison and military service. The important point, I suppose, is that it was happening until relatively recently (in the lifetime of many on this forum). |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 6, 2024 22:45:52 GMT
Ok
The only actual references i find beyond anecdotes for UK service as an alternative to a prison sentence refer to penal units active in world war one.
My acquaintance offered the deal i referred to earlier got it after his brief told the magistrate he had been accepted into the navy and had his orders to report to HMS Ganges and was told the matter would ‘lie on the file’ (whatever the ***k that really meant) on condition he reported as required.
In the US it seems similar arrangements were made for those willing to sign up during the vietnam war.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 23:13:19 GMT
...It wasn't so long ago that the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime... Tell me Einy, when did this happen? When were the courts giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 6, 2024 23:32:18 GMT
...It wasn't so long ago that the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime... Tell me Einy, when did this happen? When were the courts giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime? See above, Red. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 6, 2024 23:37:32 GMT
Tell me Einy, when did this happen? When were the courts giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime? See above, Red. I did see above. You said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. When JoG challenged you on this, you said you had no idea. And I agree you do indeed have, no idea. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 6, 2024 23:38:54 GMT
I did see above. You said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. When JoG challenged you on this, you said you had no idea. And I agree you do indeed have, no idea. So, you and your squaddy mates never got into any scraps, Red? Is that what you're telling us? And JoG mentioned a criminal who was given the option in his life time. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 7, 2024 0:00:34 GMT
I did see above. You said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. When JoG challenged you on this, you said you had no idea. And I agree you do indeed have, no idea. So, you and your squaddy mates never got into any scraps, Red? Is that what you're telling us? And JoG mentioned a criminal who was given the option in his life time. What manner of nonsense is this? Pity we're not all honest about our alcohol consumption. Einy, I am not now or ever have been a criminal, violent or otherwise. During my 22 years in the army I, indeed we, did get into the occasional scuffle but in those days snowflakes didn't get past selection and if you couldn't manage the odd scuffle you should have joined the RAF. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 7, 2024 0:06:29 GMT
So, you and your squaddy mates never got into any scraps, Red? Is that what you're telling us? And JoG mentioned a criminal who was given the option in his life time. What manner of nonsense is this? Pity we're not all honest about our alcohol consumption. Einy, I am not now or ever have been a criminal, violent or otherwise. During my 22 years in the army I, indeed we, did get into the occasional scuffle but in those days snowflakes didn't get past selection and if you couldn't manage the odd scuffle you should have joined the RAF. Yes, Red. I drink vodka by the bucket. I've never tried to hide it or my crack cocaine addiction. What's your point? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 7, 2024 0:18:52 GMT
I did see above. You said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. When JoG challenged you on this, you said you had no idea. And I agree you do indeed have, no idea. So, you and your squaddy mates never got into any scraps, Red? Is that what you're telling us? And JoG mentioned a criminal who was given the option in his life time. ACTUALLY As he told it to me, He was arrested on suspicion of being a lookout for a robbery on an empty building. The magistrate, on being told by his defence brief he had a while before this volunteered to join the Navy, had been accepted and was actually under orders to report to a shore base ti commence is training, decided to "leave the matter on the file" without declaring either a verict or a sentence. So in reality he was not actually a conviced criminal was he, much less a violent one. As i also said, while researching the matter, the last time i can find any mention of a CONVICTED criminal being recruited into the United Kingdom armed forces as an alternative to penal servitude was the first world war. The only references I can find to any United States convicted criminals being offered military service as an alternative to a court's sentence are anecdotal ones from those sent to fight in Vietnam.
The only other examples of military service as an alternative to punishment i find any evidence of at all are the well known cases such as happenned to my great uncle where conscientious objectors were offered a choice of prison or service with a red cross armband. Uncle Tom chose to put on a uniform and an armband and joined the Royal Army Medical Corps, who were glad to have him, as was everyone he interacted with while wearing that armband.....
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 7, 2024 0:19:53 GMT
What manner of nonsense is this? Pity we're not all honest about our alcohol consumption. Einy, I am not now or ever have been a criminal, violent or otherwise. During my 22 years in the army I, indeed we, did get into the occasional scuffle but in those days snowflakes didn't get past selection and if you couldn't manage the odd scuffle you should have joined the RAF. Yes, Red. I drink vodka by the bucket. I've never tried to hide it or my crack cocaine addiction. What's your point? Never been keen on vodka & crack meself, each to their own. My point is, you said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. You know that's bollox. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 7, 2024 0:29:29 GMT
Yes, Red. I drink vodka by the bucket. I've never tried to hide it or my crack cocaine addiction. What's your point? Never been keen on vodka & crack meself, each to their own. My point is, you said the courts were giving violent criminals the option of joining the army in lieu of jailtime. You know that's bollox. If it's bollox, it'll fit very well into a thread based on bollox about the Navy preferring transgender applicants over other applicants. Everybody's happy, Red! |
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