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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 13:13:51 GMT
It's very simple, give people more activities to do.
That means clubs and also pubs.
Chess clubs.
Shooting clubs.
Golf clubs.
Bowling clubs.
Boxing clubs.
Running clubs.
Karting clubs.
Organisations where people can get together make friends and socialise and have fun, especially in the Western Isles.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2024 15:13:31 GMT
Scotlands life expectancy has been falling in comparison with much of Europe since the 1950s. This article here blames the neoliberal choices of Westminster governments for a large part of that fact....
Neoliberal policies have been associated with poor health outcomes and health inequalities in a number of studies in Eastern Europe (with very little time lag between the implementation of policy and health outcomes)20–23 and the USA,24 but the UK also underwent radical change from 1979 as the Conservative government elected in that year implemented a range of such policies. While the resulting change was less profound than that flowing from the stark imposition of neoliberalism in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union after 1990, and perhaps also somewhat less profound than ‘Reaganomics’ in the USA after 1980, it has been further argued that Scotland, and in particular the west of Scotland, was, amongst the nations of the UK, disproportionately vulnerable to, and worse affected by, its damaging effects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505444/
What I find interesting is the republic of irelands example. A century ago , when the republic was a part of this despicable union , it had a life expectancy similar to Scotland. After independence , and the ability to control its own destiny , and set its own policies to the benefit of its own people , it now has the one of the best life expectancies in Europe , far higher than their British counterparts in the north , and higher than England itself. So the answer appears to be ending devolution , and becoming an independent nation like Ireland. Meanwhile , current polls are showing 57 % of people uk wide oppose a labour government , 58 % of the welsh oppose labour , and in Scotland this rises to 70 % oppose a labour government . It was the blairites ruin of the economy that led to the SNP landslide of 2011 in Holyrood , and the massive increase in the yes to indy vote to 45 % . Fingers crossed starmer makes it into number ten , despite the fact we are all realistic enough to realise labour can't be trusted with the levers of power and the economy. Let's get this right since devolution and the SNP reign of power life expectancy in Scotland hasn't improved but continue to fall. What do you think of labour control health care that has a dismal health service. But there population has a betterlife expectancy then Scotland. Has for the Economy don't you know labour have a better life expectancy then Scotland. why do you conflate the beginning of devolution in 1999 and the SNP? You do know the snp only came to power in Holyrood as a minority government in 2007 after labour were booted out don't you? What did the Labour Party do as the party with most seats in Scotland , between 1959 and 2015 , when all the health problems started becoming apparent ? you had 56 years in charge of Scotland , including the control of the major levers of power at times Westminster , and yet labour managed to run Scotland into the ground and turn us into one of the unhealthiest places in Europe. Former stalwarts of labour like Margaret curran openly boasted Glasgow had the lowest life expectancy in the western world , my city where labour had been in charge for over 80 years. When we ask Irish friends how they managed to go from a life expectancy similar to Scotland within the British empire , to one of the highest life expectancy rates in Europe , they say kick the British out like we did. Run your economy for your countries benefit , not Londons . Dont really understand your question , but clearly you know what I think of labour controlling health , we have discussed it many a time and as Wales shows , where labour have been in control since he start of devolution in 1999 unlike the snp , they can't be trusted. labour run Wales has the third lowest life expectancy in the current uk , among many other areas where they bob along the bottom. Clearly voting Labour in Wales the past quarter century of devolution hasn't done much for life expectancy, nor has being part of your union.Perhaps that why support for Yes Cymru is massively increasing.? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 16:53:48 GMT
SNP are far left morons.
And Labour aren't much better.
Neither realise the importance of the private sector.
They only think of the public sector, authoritarian idiotic legislation to impose, and deficit spending.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 3, 2024 18:24:39 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Fact is … ‘Cancers and cardiovascular disease together contribute 61% of YLL and 36% of DALYs. Cancer is now the leading cause of the burden of disease and Wales has a comparatively high cancer DALY rate compared to most UK nations. It accounts for an estimated 167,000 DALYs a year (19%) and has shown little decrease since 1990.’ Entering ‘health issues wales’ into the search engine and hitting refresh a dozen tines will get you many different answers funded by many different protest groups but this cones up more often than not. Note it goes all the way back to 1990 when welsh nhs trusts were run under the auspices of a secretary of state not a political party pillock but the song has remained the same ….. |
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Post by morayloon on Jan 4, 2024 12:56:13 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Fact is … ‘Cancers and cardiovascular disease together contribute 61% of YLL and 36% of DALYs. Cancer is now the leading cause of the burden of disease and Wales has a comparatively high cancer DALY rate compared to most UK nations. It accounts for an estimated 167,000 DALYs a year (19%) and has shown little decrease since 1990.’ Entering ‘health issues wales’ into the search engine and hitting refresh a dozen tines will get you many different answers funded by many different protest groups but this cones up more often than not. Note it goes all the way back to 1990 when welsh nhs trusts were run under the auspices of a secretary of state not a political party pillock" but the song has remained the same ….. In Scotland, the Secretary of State WAS a "political party pillock". He/she was appointed by the PM and was a member of the cabinet. I am not sure, but wasn't the Welsh NHS run the same way? The lack of democracy in that an English political party was foisted on us was part of the reason devolution was brought in. Too often we had Tory Governments, meaning a Tory Scottish Secretary who we didn't vote for. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 4, 2024 13:27:15 GMT
Cobblers.
Devolution was brought in to appease the SNATs and get a few extra votes.
Labour didn't expect to win as spectacularly as they did in 1997.
But devolution created unfairness inequality extra costs and shit policies.
Scrap it and have PR instead.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 4, 2024 13:53:35 GMT
Fact is … ‘Cancers and cardiovascular disease together contribute 61% of YLL and 36% of DALYs. Cancer is now the leading cause of the burden of disease and Wales has a comparatively high cancer DALY rate compared to most UK nations. It accounts for an estimated 167,000 DALYs a year (19%) and has shown little decrease since 1990.’ Entering ‘health issues wales’ into the search engine and hitting refresh a dozen tines will get you many different answers funded by many different protest groups but this cones up more often than not. Note it goes all the way back to 1990 when welsh nhs trusts were run under the auspices of a secretary of state not a political party pillock" but the song has remained the same ….. In Scotland, the Secretary of State WAS a "political party pillock". He/she was appointed by the PM and was a member of the cabinet. I am not sure, but wasn't the Welsh NHS run the same way? The lack of democracy in that an English political party was foisted on us was part of the reason devolution was brought in. Too often we had Tory Governments, meaning a Tory Scottish Secretary who we didn't vote for. It is so long ago ….. Prior to 1999 The NHS in wales was run by Trust Managers with each ‘primary care group’ doing its own budget.’ As a (probably poor, but real, example) Artificial Limbs were administered out of Rookwood hospital in Cardiff whose budget was overseen by the Welsh Office but they rubber stamped it and passed it to the English Dept of Health for admin and approval. This was about the time Moira worked part time as one of two clerical officers in the Welsh Office ALAC (artificial limb and appliance centre) budget office, an organisation disbanded with many others when the Labour Party took over running the shitshow. Post 1999 there have been a succession of inept political tosspots in the job of health minister. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 4, 2024 20:12:26 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Scotlands life expectancy has been falling in comparison with much of Europe since the 1950s. This article here blames the neoliberal choices of Westminster governments for a large part of that fact....
Neoliberal policies have been associated with poor health outcomes and health inequalities in a number of studies in Eastern Europe (with very little time lag between the implementation of policy and health outcomes)20–23 and the USA,24 but the UK also underwent radical change from 1979 as the Conservative government elected in that year implemented a range of such policies. While the resulting change was less profound than that flowing from the stark imposition of neoliberalism in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union after 1990, and perhaps also somewhat less profound than ‘Reaganomics’ in the USA after 1980, it has been further argued that Scotland, and in particular the west of Scotland, was, amongst the nations of the UK, disproportionately vulnerable to, and worse affected by, its damaging effects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505444/
What I find interesting is the republic of irelands example. A century ago , when the republic was a part of this despicable union , it had a life expectancy similar to Scotland. After independence , and the ability to control its own destiny , and set its own policies to the benefit of its own people , it now has the one of the best life expectancies in Europe , far higher than their British counterparts in the north , and higher than England itself. So the answer appears to be ending devolution , and becoming an independent nation like Ireland. Meanwhile , current polls are showing 57 % of people uk wide oppose a labour government , 58 % of the welsh oppose labour , and in Scotland this rises to 70 % oppose a labour government . It was the blairites ruin of the economy that led to the SNP landslide of 2011 in Holyrood , and the massive increase in the yes to indy vote to 45 % . Fingers crossed starmer makes it into number ten , despite the fact we are all realistic enough to realise labour can't be trusted with the levers of power and the economy. t Running a comparison on Ireland and Scotland and judging purely on Independence may be a cherished view from a Nationalist point of view but is pretty useless as one is comparing two totally different countries during the last century, Ireland was largely rural and Scotland was pretty well industrialised with the preponderance to urban, and very crowded urban, living. All the effects on health and long term effects on following generations health were cast in a different mould in each country. Policies may have had an effect, what they were and if they were good and bad is hard to sort out from all surrounding noise. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 5, 2024 8:50:48 GMT
Scotlands life expectancy has been falling in comparison with much of Europe since the 1950s. This article here blames the neoliberal choices of Westminster governments for a large part of that fact....
Neoliberal policies have been associated with poor health outcomes and health inequalities in a number of studies in Eastern Europe (with very little time lag between the implementation of policy and health outcomes)20–23 and the USA,24 but the UK also underwent radical change from 1979 as the Conservative government elected in that year implemented a range of such policies. While the resulting change was less profound than that flowing from the stark imposition of neoliberalism in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union after 1990, and perhaps also somewhat less profound than ‘Reaganomics’ in the USA after 1980, it has been further argued that Scotland, and in particular the west of Scotland, was, amongst the nations of the UK, disproportionately vulnerable to, and worse affected by, its damaging effects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505444/
What I find interesting is the republic of irelands example. A century ago , when the republic was a part of this despicable union , it had a life expectancy similar to Scotland. After independence , and the ability to control its own destiny , and set its own policies to the benefit of its own people , it now has the one of the best life expectancies in Europe , far higher than their British counterparts in the north , and higher than England itself. So the answer appears to be ending devolution , and becoming an independent nation like Ireland. Meanwhile , current polls are showing 57 % of people uk wide oppose a labour government , 58 % of the welsh oppose labour , and in Scotland this rises to 70 % oppose a labour government . It was the blairites ruin of the economy that led to the SNP landslide of 2011 in Holyrood , and the massive increase in the yes to indy vote to 45 % . Fingers crossed starmer makes it into number ten , despite the fact we are all realistic enough to realise labour can't be trusted with the levers of power and the economy. t Running a comparison on Ireland and Scotland and judging purely on Independence may be a cherished view from a Nationalist point of view but is pretty useless as one is comparing two totally different countries during the last century, Ireland was largely rural and Scotland was pretty well industrialised with the preponderance to urban, and very crowded urban, living. All the effects on health and long term effects on following generations health were cast in a different mould in each country. Policies may have had an effect, what they were and if they were good and bad is hard to sort out from all surrounding noise. your post doesn't make an ounce of sense. The industrialisation of Scotland and the north of Ireland started way back In the 18th century , yet by the early twentieth century , both nations had a similar life expectancy. Prior to industrialisation , Scotland was one of the least urbanised countries in Europe. so your explanation doesn't cut the mustard. As I understand irelands development , it's only been the last 30 years possibly more , where the Irish have moved away from being a largely agrarian and rural country , possibly since their joining the old EEC. So the question is , despite many countries being vastly more urbanised than Scotland , what has happened to us that hasn't happened to other industrialised nations? My earlier link blames the Neo liberal policies and decisions of a foreign elite in London , who make decisions based on what the south east of England wants , not what Scotland needs. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 5, 2024 20:03:04 GMT
Running a comparison on Ireland and Scotland and judging purely on Independence may be a cherished view from a Nationalist point of view but is pretty useless as one is comparing two totally different countries during the last century, Ireland was largely rural and Scotland was pretty well industrialised with the preponderance to urban, and very crowded urban, living. All the effects on health and long term effects on following generations health were cast in a different mould in each country. Policies may have had an effect, what they were and if they were good and bad is hard to sort out from all surrounding noise. your post doesn't make an ounce of sense. The industrialisation of Scotland and the north of Ireland started way back In the 18th century , yet by the early twentieth century , both nations had a similar life expectancy. Prior to industrialisation , Scotland was one of the least urbanised countries in Europe. so your explanation doesn't cut the mustard. As I understand irelands development , it's only been the last 30 years possibly more , where the Irish have moved away from being a largely agrarian and rural country , possibly since their joining the old EEC. So the question is , despite many countries being vastly more urbanised than Scotland , what has happened to us that hasn't happened to other industrialised nations? My earlier link blames the Neo liberal policies and decisions of a foreign elite in London , who make decisions based on what the south east of England wants , not what Scotland needs. You referred to a comparison as regards Ireland and Scotland and their relative well being since Ireland independence (circa 1923). The North is not part of that equation so its industrialisation is irrelevant. Ireland was largely rural where as Scotland was heavily industrialised by the 1920s. Many factors were at work over this period including massive war damage in Scotland which Ireland did not receive and the run down of that very industrialisation in the war effort. Referring only to Ireland leaving the Union, yet joining the EEC at the same time as teh UK where UK was a nett contributor and Ireland was a nett receiver over that period, is comparing chalk and cheese, |
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Post by borchester on Jan 5, 2024 22:42:33 GMT
The Scots do seem to be pretty rubbish at looking after themselves
In England the life expectancy for males is 79 years and for women is 83 years
In Wales for males it is 78 years and for women is 82 years
The figures for Northern Ireland are the same as Wales
Meanwhile, north of the border where the national sports are alcoholism and coughing up their carbonised lungs, the Scots are scrapping along the bottom at 76 years for males and 80 years for the ladies
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Post by Ripley on Jan 5, 2024 23:35:54 GMT
The Scots do seem to be pretty rubbish at looking after themselves In England the life expectancy for males is 79 years and for women is 83 years In Wales for males it is 78 years and for women is 82 years The figures for Northern Ireland are the same as Wales Meanwhile, north of the border where the national sports are alcoholism and coughing up their carbonised lungs, the Scots are scrapping along the bottom at 76 years for males and 80 years for the ladies Life expectancy in Scotland was 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females in 2020-2022. www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/life-expectancy/life-expectancy-in-scotland/life-expectancy-in-scotland-2020-2022Alcohol and tobacco consumption are indeed linked to life expectancy, but economic status is also a factor. A gap greater than 12 years between the life expectancy of Inuit indigenous peoples versus non-indigenous peoples has been noted in Canada. In Denmark, the average life expectancy for men with mental disorders lags behind the rest of the population by 10 years. In the USA, a 14 year gap in life expectancy has been reported between the richest 1% of the population and poorest 1%. The poor are at increased risk of food insecurity, depression, mental illness, chronic disease and higher mortality. www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(18)30327-9/fulltext |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 17, 2024 18:11:03 GMT
So lets get this straight
The SNP impose minimum alcohol pricing to cut boozing. Sugar Tax to cut lard arse scots and yet the deaths continue…..
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Post by thomas on Jan 17, 2024 18:54:02 GMT
The Scots do seem to be pretty rubbish at looking after themselves In England the life expectancy for males is 79 years and for women is 83 years In Wales for males it is 78 years and for women is 82 years The figures for Northern Ireland are the same as Wales Meanwhile, north of the border where the national sports are alcoholism and coughing up their carbonised lungs, the Scots are scrapping along the bottom at 76 years for males and 80 years for the ladies Life expectancy in Scotland was 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females in 2020-2022. www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/life-expectancy/life-expectancy-in-scotland/life-expectancy-in-scotland-2020-2022Alcohol and tobacco consumption are indeed linked to life expectancy, but economic status is also a factor. A gap greater than 12 years between the life expectancy of Inuit indigenous peoples versus non-indigenous peoples has been noted in Canada. In Denmark, the average life expectancy for men with mental disorders lags behind the rest of the population by 10 years. In the USA, a 14 year gap in life expectancy has been reported between the richest 1% of the population and poorest 1%. The poor are at increased risk of food insecurity, depression, mental illness, chronic disease and higher mortality. www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(18)30327-9/fulltextmissed your post on this Ripley , thanks for that. round and round we go though with unionists , its just the same stuff re regurgitated year after year. your post correlates with this old article from a decade ago , showing the exact same thing in the yookay. www.businessforscotland.com/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/ The further north and west you go in the uk , life expectancy drops , the further south and east you go , it improves. That correlates as you say with wealth. The further south and east you go , according to the office for national stats , the wealthier it becomes. So nothing radical or unusual there. Where the article becomes interesting is where it points out the uks wealth is largely generated.  |
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Post by Ripley on Jan 17, 2024 19:10:09 GMT
missed your post on this Ripley , thanks for that. round and round we go though with unionists , its just the same stuff re regurgitated year after year. your post correlates with this old article from a decade ago , showing the exact same thing in the yookay. www.businessforscotland.com/where-does-scotlands-wealth-go/ The further north and west you go in the uk , life expectancy drops , the further south and east you go , it improves. That correlates as you say with wealth. The further south and east you go , according to the office for national stats , the wealthier it becomes. So nothing radical or unusual there. Where the article becomes interesting is where it points out the uks wealth is largely generated. Thanks for posting that. Very illuminating. |
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