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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 2:19:53 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS.
And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government
Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population.
But if Thomas took off his biased specks
And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK.
He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas.
For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe.
With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe
That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP.
Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate?
Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2024 14:28:20 GMT
You're alive, Happy New Year!
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 14:46:18 GMT
You're alive, Happy New Year! Thanks vinny happy new year to you has well. How you been mate?
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2024 15:13:21 GMT
I'm fine thanks, no worse for wear after last nights pints and a glass of Bunnahabhain.
Few more days of it to go. Hogmannay is ace!
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 15:18:01 GMT
I'm fine thanks, no worse for wear after last nights pints and a glass of Bunnahabhain. Few more days of it to go. Hogmannay is ace! Any excuse for a p up vinny
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2024 15:26:38 GMT
But what an excuse!
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 15:56:46 GMT
It's not for me but has long you enjoy it what does it matter
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Post by sandypine on Jan 1, 2024 15:57:30 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Not defending but in Scotland there is a legacy of the Tenement dwellers in several of the major cities whereby young children grew up exposed to many childhood diseases and in order to survive then some genes, normally dormant, switched on and stayed switched on in any progeny. This protected individuals as children but the cost was poorer health in middle age, exacerbated by lifestyles. It is only the last two generations that have been largely free from this but the poor condition tenements in Glasgow were mainly still standing in my living memory and still lived in as my brother was renting as a student and his place was pretty abysmal.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 16:13:48 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Not defending but in Scotland there is a legacy of the Tenement dwellers in several of the major cities whereby young children grew up exposed to many childhood diseases and in order to survive then some genes, normally dormant, switched on and stayed switched on in any progeny. This protected individuals as children but the cost was poorer health in middle age, exacerbated by lifestyles. It is only the last two generations that have been largely free from this but the poor condition tenements in Glasgow were mainly still standing in my living memory and still lived in as my brother was renting as a student and his place was pretty abysmal. Yeah I understand how poor environment effects health . But you can't say regions in Scotland with poor arrears are any worse than the rest of the UK. Or western Europe but Scotland has the worse mortality rate In western Europe and one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. The poor area reason dosnt stand
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Post by sandypine on Jan 1, 2024 16:48:43 GMT
Not defending but in Scotland there is a legacy of the Tenement dwellers in several of the major cities whereby young children grew up exposed to many childhood diseases and in order to survive then some genes, normally dormant, switched on and stayed switched on in any progeny. This protected individuals as children but the cost was poorer health in middle age, exacerbated by lifestyles. It is only the last two generations that have been largely free from this but the poor condition tenements in Glasgow were mainly still standing in my living memory and still lived in as my brother was renting as a student and his place was pretty abysmal. Yeah I understand how poor environment effects health . But you can't say regions in Scotland with poor arrears are any worse than the rest of the UK. Or western Europe but Scotland has the worse mortality rate In western Europe and one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. The poor area reason dosnt stand It is all grist to the mill of poor health. The shorter daylight in winter with grey skies and rain clouds is another, The diet of Scots has been pretty heavy on the salt for many years which is another factor. Over here on the West the sun does not rise until 0846 and sets at 1558, and we are pretty far south, and for a week the sun was not visible through the rain clouds and the drizzle. Further north the days are even shorter. So Scotland has many factors why it has a poor health outcome and the Scottish and UK governments may be two of them but there are many more.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 1, 2024 17:02:28 GMT
Yeah I understand how poor environment effects health . But you can't say regions in Scotland with poor arrears are any worse than the rest of the UK. Or western Europe but Scotland has the worse mortality rate In western Europe and one of the worst in the Whole of Europe. The poor area reason dosnt stand It is all grist to the mill of poor health. The shorter daylight in winter with grey skies and rain clouds is another, The diet of Scots has been pretty heavy on the salt for many years which is another factor. Over here on the West the sun does not rise until 0846 and sets at 1558, and we are pretty far south, and for a week the sun was not visible through the rain clouds and the drizzle. Further north the days are even shorter. So Scotland has many factors why it has a poor health outcome and the Scottish and UK governments may be two of them but there are many more. Like I said Scotland has one of the worse mortality rates in Europe even worse than many eastern Europe countries. That see worser weather conditions than Scotland. And you can't say Scotland has worse winter weather then Albania or poorer areas. But has a higher mortality rate amoung the young . It's obviously drugs and Alcohol has a big effect. Is Scotland such a bad place to live .
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Post by jonksy on Jan 1, 2024 19:52:44 GMT
It is all grist to the mill of poor health. The shorter daylight in winter with grey skies and rain clouds is another, The diet of Scots has been pretty heavy on the salt for many years which is another factor. Over here on the West the sun does not rise until 0846 and sets at 1558, and we are pretty far south, and for a week the sun was not visible through the rain clouds and the drizzle. Further north the days are even shorter. So Scotland has many factors why it has a poor health outcome and the Scottish and UK governments may be two of them but there are many more. Like I said Scotland has one of the worse mortality rates in Europe even worse than many eastern Europe countries. That see worser weather conditions than Scotland. And you can't say Scotland has worse winter weather then Albania or poorer areas. But has a higher mortality rate amoung the young . It's obviously drugs and Alcohol has a big effect. Is Scotland such a bad place to live . It has the worse dug porblem in the world also.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 1, 2024 20:09:01 GMT
Mad killjoy devolved government, not much to do except drink when the weather is bad, especially on the islands. Scotland needs more clubs. Bowling clubs, snooker clubs, boxing clubs, amateur football clubs, archery clubs and rifle and pistol clubs.
It also needs to reverse the air weapon licence system. A 1000 ft lb crossbow capable of piercing kevlar body armour requires no licence but a 2 ft lb air pistol does? It's much safer shooting at home with air guns. They're morons.
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Post by thomas on Jan 2, 2024 11:00:18 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Scotlands life expectancy has been falling in comparison with much of Europe since the 1950s. This article here blames the neoliberal choices of Westminster governments for a large part of that fact.... Neoliberal policies have been associated with poor health outcomes and health inequalities in a number of studies in Eastern Europe (with very little time lag between the implementation of policy and health outcomes)20–23 and the USA,24 but the UK also underwent radical change from 1979 as the Conservative government elected in that year implemented a range of such policies. While the resulting change was less profound than that flowing from the stark imposition of neoliberalism in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union after 1990, and perhaps also somewhat less profound than ‘Reaganomics’ in the USA after 1980, it has been further argued that Scotland, and in particular the west of Scotland, was, amongst the nations of the UK, disproportionately vulnerable to, and worse affected by, its damaging effects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505444/
What I find interesting is the republic of irelands example. A century ago , when the republic was a part of this despicable union , it had a life expectancy similar to Scotland. After independence , and the ability to control its own destiny , and set its own policies to the benefit of its own people , it now has the one of the best life expectancies in Europe , far higher than their British counterparts in the north , and higher than England itself. So the answer appears to be ending devolution , and becoming an independent nation like Ireland. Meanwhile , current polls are showing 57 % of people uk wide oppose a labour government , 58 % of the welsh oppose labour , and in Scotland this rises to 70 % oppose a labour government . It was the blairites ruin of the economy that led to the SNP landslide of 2011 in Holyrood , and the massive increase in the yes to indy vote to 45 % . Fingers crossed starmer makes it into number ten , despite the fact we are all realistic enough to realise labour can't be trusted with the levers of power and the economy.
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Post by Totheleft on Jan 2, 2024 12:22:31 GMT
If I'm right I remember Thomas I think it was who said you Couldn't count on New labour/labour Government to fix the NHS. And he tried to use the poor performance The health service in Wales under a labour government Despite me telling him several times it was down to Wales having a older population. But if Thomas took off his biased specks And looked at the data in to Medical care in the UK. He will see that Scotland performs very poor in some key areas. For one Scotland has one of the worse Martaity rate in the whole of Europe. With people dieing at a earlier age compared to the rest of Europe That's why Scotland is in poor health under the SNP. Why does Scotland have such a high drug related rate? Must be a Awful place to live in some parts of Scotland. Scotlands life expectancy has been falling in comparison with much of Europe since the 1950s. This article here blames the neoliberal choices of Westminster governments for a large part of that fact.... Neoliberal policies have been associated with poor health outcomes and health inequalities in a number of studies in Eastern Europe (with very little time lag between the implementation of policy and health outcomes)20–23 and the USA,24 but the UK also underwent radical change from 1979 as the Conservative government elected in that year implemented a range of such policies. While the resulting change was less profound than that flowing from the stark imposition of neoliberalism in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union after 1990, and perhaps also somewhat less profound than ‘Reaganomics’ in the USA after 1980, it has been further argued that Scotland, and in particular the west of Scotland, was, amongst the nations of the UK, disproportionately vulnerable to, and worse affected by, its damaging effects
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3505444/
What I find interesting is the republic of irelands example. A century ago , when the republic was a part of this despicable union , it had a life expectancy similar to Scotland. After independence , and the ability to control its own destiny , and set its own policies to the benefit of its own people , it now has the one of the best life expectancies in Europe , far higher than their British counterparts in the north , and higher than England itself. So the answer appears to be ending devolution , and becoming an independent nation like Ireland. Meanwhile , current polls are showing 57 % of people uk wide oppose a labour government , 58 % of the welsh oppose labour , and in Scotland this rises to 70 % oppose a labour government . It was the blairites ruin of the economy that led to the SNP landslide of 2011 in Holyrood , and the massive increase in the yes to indy vote to 45 % . Fingers crossed starmer makes it into number ten , despite the fact we are all realistic enough to realise labour can't be trusted with the levers of power and the economy. Let's get this right since devolution and the SNP reign of power life expectancy in Scotland hasn't improved but continue to fall. What do you think of labour control health care that has a dismal health service. But there population has a betterlife expectancy then Scotland. Has for the Economy don't you know labour have a better life expectancy then Scotland.
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