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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 2, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
...Anyone who thinks Rees Mogg could ever be a man of the people is kidding themselves... Who wants a man of the people? I want someone intelligent, knowledgeable and capable. And Rees-Mogg is all three. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 2, 2024 19:16:44 GMT
Any conflation is all yours. The OP clearly states the survey is from a leading Tory publication. Your post seems to be little more than whataboutery for the sake of whataboutery. Quelle surprise. Not at all. You did indeed report what an obscure Tory publication thinks. Then immediately said this.... "People want a proper centre right Conservative party and government" The clear implication by the context that you are trying to make out that the views of the former are representative of the latter, which is of course so much horse shit. Again I have to reiterate: This thread is entitled... ..."Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg most popular Tory MP" And it must be said, given the effort your are making in various responses thus far, the casual observer could easilly come to the conclusion that you do in fact, care. Why else would someone respond, several times, to a thread about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg if he didn't care about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg? Are you a closet Mogg fan? Come on fess up... |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 20:06:16 GMT
Mogg's biggest mistake was not challenging May for the leadership in 2019.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 22:54:36 GMT
...Anyone who thinks Rees Mogg could ever be a man of the people is kidding themselves... Who wants a man of the people? I want someone intelligent, knowledgeable and capable. And Rees-Mogg is all three. He is also an arrogant and self serving knob who is so out of touch with the people that he has little clue about the problems millions are struggling under, so is unlikely to have the solutions. He would be there to serve the interests of the wealthy elites he identifies with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 22:57:36 GMT
Not at all. You did indeed report what an obscure Tory publication thinks. Then immediately said this.... "People want a proper centre right Conservative party and government" The clear implication by the context that you are trying to make out that the views of the former are representative of the latter, which is of course so much horse shit. Again I have to reiterate: This thread is entitled... ..."Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg most popular Tory MP" And it must be said, given the effort your are making in various responses thus far, the casual observer could easilly come to the conclusion that you do in fact, care. Why else would someone respond, several times, to a thread about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg if he didn't care about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg? Are you a closet Mogg fan? Come on fess up... No. I think he is one of the biggest and most obvious twats in the Commons. I do like the idea of you prats making him your leader, though. But that is only because I have the worst interests of the Tory party at heart.lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 23:02:08 GMT
Mogg's biggest mistake was not challenging May for the leadership in 2019. The idea that he as Tory party leader would have made the Tories popular again is most unconvincing to me. But since it didnt happen we can never know either way. Personally I think he would have proven to be as big a disaster as Truss, loved only by the out of touch, stuck in the past, geriatrics who make up most of the Tory rank and file. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 2, 2024 23:09:20 GMT
Again I have to reiterate: This thread is entitled... ..."Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg most popular Tory MP" And it must be said, given the effort your are making in various responses thus far, the casual observer could easilly come to the conclusion that you do in fact, care. Why else would someone respond, several times, to a thread about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg if he didn't care about Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg? Are you a closet Mogg fan? Come on fess up... No. I think he is one of the biggest and most obvious twats in the Commons. I do like the idea of you prats making him your leader, though. But that is only because I have the worst interests of the Tory party at heart.lol LOL superb, oh man you really are a lefty aren't you but whatever you do, don't lose hope, treatment is available. Whether you like JRM's politics or not, and I accept that due to your socialist proclivities you are diametrically opposed to common sense, however that does not detract from the fact that regardless of who he is speaking to JRM is always respectful and polite. I'm sure we can at least agree on that... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 23:17:53 GMT
No. I think he is one of the biggest and most obvious twats in the Commons. I do like the idea of you prats making him your leader, though. But that is only because I have the worst interests of the Tory party at heart.lol LOL superb, oh man you really are a lefty aren't you but whatever you do, don't lose hope, treatment is available. Whether you like JRM's politics or not, and I accept that due to your socialist proclivities you are diametrically opposed to common sense, however that does not detract from the fact that regardless of who he is speaking to JRM is always respectful and polite. I'm sure we can at least agree on that... I cannot recall him being rude to anyone, though if anyone else can they will point it out in due course if they can even be bothered with a thread like this. Politeness counts for little however when you repeatedly vote to make things more shit for more people whilst being one of the front men for the wealthy elites. Set against that, I dont really care how polite he is. I do though join you in wishing to see him become Tory leader, albeit for very different reasons. You - *chuckle* - are kidding yourself that he would be your saviour. I believe he would be more likely to lead you to disaster. So bring him on, I say and lets see what happens. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 2, 2024 23:18:12 GMT
Mogg's biggest mistake was not challenging May for the leadership in 2019. The idea that he as Tory party leader would have made the Tories popular again is most unconvincing to me. But since it didnt happen we can never know either way. Personally I think he would have proven to be as big a disaster as Truss, loved only by the out of touch, stuck in the past, geriatrics who make up most of the Tory rank and file. In 2019 the alternative was useless weather-vane Corbyn. As for Truss, the problem with her, she's a weather-vane as well. Back in 2016 she stupidly backed remain. Imagine if we'd actually stayed in the EU, what a disaster that would have been. Not only would our exports have continued to wither, and unemployment would have continued to rise, but we'd have had to wait forever for the EU to organise the procurement of Covid vaccines and more of us would have died too! Say what you like about Mogg, but at least he's a Brexiteer rather than a remoaning buffoon like Cameron and Osborne and Liz Truss were..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 23:23:55 GMT
The idea that he as Tory party leader would have made the Tories popular again is most unconvincing to me. But since it didnt happen we can never know either way. Personally I think he would have proven to be as big a disaster as Truss, loved only by the out of touch, stuck in the past, geriatrics who make up most of the Tory rank and file. In 2019 the alternative was useless weather-vane Corbyn. As for Truss, the problem with her, she's a weather-vane as well. Back in 2016 she stupidly backed remain. Imagine if we'd actually stayed in the EU, what a disaster that would have been. Not only would our exports have continued to wither, and unemployment would have continued to rise, but we'd have had to wait forever for the EU to organise the procurement of Covid vaccines and more of us would have died too!
Say what you like about Mogg, but at least he's a Brexiteer rather than a remoaning buffoon like Cameron and Osborne and Liz Truss were..... And you think I will see that as a plus point, knowing what my views are based upon previous exchanges? I think he would be another disaster, and I hope the Tories are dumb enough to make him their leader, in which case we would all find out. You by the way are in a diminishing minority who think Brexit is going wonderfully, quoting selective statistics in support of that fantasy, whilst ignoring any statistics you are presented with which tell another story. Do you think most of the people are stupid? Or might you be the one deluding yourself? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 2, 2024 23:33:16 GMT
LOL superb, oh man you really are a lefty aren't you but whatever you do, don't lose hope, treatment is available. Whether you like JRM's politics or not, and I accept that due to your socialist proclivities you are diametrically opposed to common sense, however that does not detract from the fact that regardless of who he is speaking to JRM is always respectful and polite. I'm sure we can at least agree on that... I cannot recall him being rude to anyone, though if anyone else can they will point it out in due course if they can even be bothered with a thread like this. Politeness counts for little however when you repeatedly vote to make things more shit for more people whilst being one of the front men for the wealthy elites. Set against that, I dont really care how polite he is. I do though join you in wishing to see him become Tory leader, albeit for very different reasons. You - *chuckle* - are kidding yourself that he would be your saviour. I believe he would be more likely to lead you to disaster. So bring him on, I say and lets see what happens. I assure you JRM is never rude, and quite clearly you are bothered with a thread like this. Sadly the rest of your post is little more than socialist rhetoric. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 23:54:56 GMT
I cannot recall him being rude to anyone, though if anyone else can they will point it out in due course if they can even be bothered with a thread like this. Politeness counts for little however when you repeatedly vote to make things more shit for more people whilst being one of the front men for the wealthy elites. Set against that, I dont really care how polite he is. I do though join you in wishing to see him become Tory leader, albeit for very different reasons. You - *chuckle* - are kidding yourself that he would be your saviour. I believe he would be more likely to lead you to disaster. So bring him on, I say and lets see what happens. I assure you JRM is never rude, and quite clearly you are bothered with a thread like this. Sadly the rest of your post is little more than socialist rhetoric. You mistake a desire to take the piss and enter a subject to express my criticism of foolish guff for my own perverse pleasure as being bothered, lol. I am not the least bit bothered. I'd love to see him become Tory leader. Really. I look forward to it with relish, though expect you to be startled by a cold shower of unexpected reality before long if it happens. And thats the bit I look forward to the most at least insofar as this forum is concerned. lol |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 3, 2024 0:04:13 GMT
For me, Mogg has good and bad points.
Good point: he is often correct about economic theory. Very few other MPs get it to his level of understanding, John Redwood being one of them.
Bad point: he lied to cover for Johnson.
Minor bad point: not a perfect gentleman as he believes. He has a rather rude and condescending approach and is pretentious in that he brings up obscure historical facts of trivia and believes they are worth adding to the debate. It feels like "look at me, aren't I so smart - I have a brain full of trivia". It's acceptable once or twice as a joke, but he overplays this.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 3, 2024 0:17:56 GMT
I assure you JRM is never rude, and quite clearly you are bothered with a thread like this. Sadly the rest of your post is little more than socialist rhetoric. You mistake a desire to take the piss and enter a subject to express my criticism of foolish guff for my own perverse pleasure as being bothered, lol. I am not the least bit bothered. I'd love to see him become Tory leader. Really. I look forward to it with relish, though expect you to be startled by a cold shower of unexpected reality before long if it happens. And thats the bit I look forward to the most at least insofar as this forum is concerned. lol Stephen, we don't generally discuss perverse pleasures. Are you on the right forum? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 3, 2024 1:08:22 GMT
SRB you are deluding yourself, just as you did before and after our referendum.
The trade stats speak for themselves btw, far above inflation sales to the EU compared to when we were members. And vastly lower unemployment.
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