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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 22, 2023 18:03:30 GMT
Make no mistake , Ghey is going to be the poster trans for the trans activists. The fact that the police do not believe that it was a trans hate crime won’t deter them. That fact will evaporate in the minds of the trans cult followers and eventually be outright denied. Butler is just laying the foundation. Yeah typical virtue signalling lefties, hijack a high profile tragedy, and turn it into a political woke snowflake agenda.
In the meantime, random murderers like these two will go undetected because they don't fit the bill.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 18:07:45 GMT
I will never forget news footage of a care home manager shouting at ambulance staff and telling them that under no circumstances was she going to allow them to return a resident after coming out of hospital, and having not been tested for Covid. This was on the same day that the Health Secretary was claiming that there was a "ring of iron" or words to such affect around care homes - This one fact, this one piece of evidence proves that the government just didn't know what they were doing. Been not of a medical or scientific background, even I know that releasing an elderly and vulnerable person from hospital, at a time when there was a life threataning pandemic, and sending that person into a care home WITHOUT been tested can only be described as utter incompetence, and places large numbers of people at uneccessary high risk. Checks and balances is part of democracy, its why we have opposition parties, its why we have a second chamber or upper house of Parliament, and why we have a society where we can question and criticise. As for Dawn Butler, she has not actually said or stated that the murder was hate related due to the victim been Trans, but she seems to have inferred it. She stated ( according to Britains most dodgy newspaper ) that "this government should be ashamed because they have created so much hate towards trans people". Some of the worst and most hatefull comments I have personally seen against Trans people have been right here on this forum. I see that some of those same people are now shedding Crocodile Tears for the murder of what is first and foremost .. an innocent human being. That’s because you are a leftie with a default mentality that to criticise a leftie delusion is to hate the deluded person. As is Ms Butler . You may be interested to know that Dawn Butler is not my "cup of tea", I do not have much of a likeing for that wing of the Labour Party, and though I have nothing personal against the more Left wing MP's, I generally do not share many of their ideas, or visions. The kind of Labour Party that Dawn Butler & Co represent, is never going to attain government, its the same problem in reverse that the Conservatives have - a grip on the Tory party by Right wing Populists will see them lose hundreds of thousands of supporters, particularly in Tory heartlands, to both Keir Starmer AND the Lib Dems. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 22, 2023 18:08:43 GMT
Been not of a medical or scientific background, even I know that releasing an elderly and vulnerable person from hospital, at a time when there was a life threataning pandemic, and sending that person into a care home WITHOUT been tested can only be described as utter incompetence, and places large numbers of people at uneccessary high risk. No - that is not correct |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 18:12:39 GMT
Been not of a medical or scientific background, even I know that releasing an elderly and vulnerable person from hospital, at a time when there was a life threataning pandemic, and sending that person into a care home WITHOUT been tested can only be described as utter incompetence, and places large numbers of people at uneccessary high risk. No - that is not correct So, you believe that sending a person into a care home from hospital during a highly contageous and potentialy life threatening pandemic, without been tested for the disease poses no risk. ? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 22, 2023 18:16:53 GMT
So, you believe that sending a person into a care home from hospital during a highly contageous and potentialy life threatening pandemic, without been tested for the disease poses no risk. ? Care homes were sending elderly people with COVID in to hospitals so they wouldn't infect other elderly patients, the care homes should have been forced to keep them in the home, freeing up much needed 'hospital' bed space for chronic COVID none elderly people. Don't blame the government blame care homes for passing the buck. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 18:23:13 GMT
That’s because you are a leftie with a default mentality that to criticise a leftie delusion is to hate the deluded person. As is Ms Butler . You may be interested to know that Dawn Butler is not my "cup of tea", I do not have much of a likeing for that wing of the Labour Party, and though I have nothing personal against the more Left wing MP's, I generally do not share many of their ideas, or visions. The kind of Labour Party that Dawn Butler & Co represent, is never going to attain government, its the same problem in reverse that the Conservatives have - a grip on the Tory party by Right wing Populists will see them lose hundreds of thousands of supporters, particularly in Tory heartlands, to both Keir Starmer AND the Lib Dems. The problem with the Tory party is not that they are ‘ right wing populists’ ( your definition ) . The problem is that they are incapable of carrying out their promises. Tbh I doubt that Rishi is a ‘ right wing populist ‘at all outside of rhetoric. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 18:30:23 GMT
So, you believe that sending a person into a care home from hospital during a highly contageous and potentialy life threatening pandemic, without been tested for the disease poses no risk. ? Care homes were sending elderly people with COVID in to hospitals so they wouldn't infect other elderly patients, the care homes should have been forced to keep them in the home, freeing up much needed 'hospital' bed space for chronic COVID none elderly people. Don't blame the government blame care homes for passing the buck. Surely one of the most ridiculous answers to a post I have ever seen If a person who had Covid needed urgent hospital treatment or attention, they went into hospital, end of story. At one of my local District General Hospitals, also a regional hospital and one of the largest in the UK, the entire hospital was cut into two. No one working in the Covid areas was allowed into the non-Covid areas, this included everything, kitchens, staff rooms, toilets, no shared coridoors, separate entrances, and vica versa. The instance which I quoted was of a care home with no known incidents of Covid, and the manager was correct in what she insisted. The UK Health Ministry was incompetent, this should have been a basic rule ... no one enters a care home without been tested. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 22, 2023 18:34:17 GMT
Care homes were sending elderly people with COVID in to hospitals so they wouldn't infect other elderly patients, the care homes should have been forced to keep them in the home, freeing up much needed 'hospital' bed space for chronic COVID none elderly people. Don't blame the government blame care homes for passing the buck. Surely one of the most ridiculous answers to a post I have ever seen If a person who had Covid needed urgent hospital treatment or attention, they went into hospital, end of story. At one of my local District General Hospitals, also a regional hospital and one of the largest in the UK, the entire hospital was cut into two. No one working in the Covid areas was allowed into the non-Covid areas, this included everything, kitchens, staff rooms, toilets, no shared coridoors, separate entrances, and vica versa. The instance which I quoted was of a care home with no known incidents of Covid, and the manager was correct in what she insisted. The UK Health Ministry was incompetent, this should have been a basic rule ... no one enters a care home without been tested. No, FACT, elderly care home patients were bed blocking much needed beds, they were either dumped in hospitals and as a result caught COVID in hospital, or dumped in hospitals if they had COVID.
The carehomes just past the buck, the blame for the carehome COVID scandal lies squarely at the feet of the carehome bosses who just wanted the money without the responsibility.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 18:35:02 GMT
Care homes were sending elderly people with COVID in to hospitals so they wouldn't infect other elderly patients, the care homes should have been forced to keep them in the home, freeing up much needed 'hospital' bed space for chronic COVID none elderly people. Don't blame the government blame care homes for passing the buck. Surely one of the most ridiculous answers to a post I have ever seen If a person who had Covid needed urgent hospital treatment or attention, they went into hospital, end of story. At one of my local District General Hospitals, also a regional hospital and one of the largest in the UK, the entire hospital was cut into two. No one working in the Covid areas was allowed into the non-Covid areas, this included everything, kitchens, staff rooms, toilets, no shared coridoors, separate entrances, and vica versa. The instance which I quoted was of a care home with no known incidents of Covid, and the manager was correct in what she insisted. The UK Health Ministry was incompetent, this should have been a basic rule ... no one enters a care home without been tested. In the early stages of covid tests took several days for results . Any vulnerable patient would have a high probability of dying from COVID at that time . We had a whole ward of cancer patients die in hospital I worked at . No one knew what the hell they were doing from top to bottom . Porters and cleaners carried the virus from ward to ward . |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 22, 2023 18:39:44 GMT
So, you believe that sending a person into a care home from hospital during a highly contageous and potentialy life threatening pandemic, without been tested for the disease poses no risk. ? The Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England (Jenny Harries) said at the time it was clinically appropriate to discharge covid positive patients into care homes. And as we were following the 'experts' at the time that is what happened.. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2023 20:51:55 GMT
Such LIES are the proof positive that it’s you that has the problem. You are the one posting the lie that this is a daily Mail fabrication see2 . Put down the slurpy cup and read the post that has the mumsnet link. I posted that I never read the Daily Mail shit, so how could I claim that it is a Daily Mail fabrication? that is just one more of your lies. Is this what you are referring to? "Heartbreaking. Just Heartbreaking. Listening to this Father's love for his trans Daughter Brianna is powerful. This cruel government has created so much hate towards the trans community they should be ashamed." If so, how far wrong is she? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 20:58:58 GMT
You are the one posting the lie that this is a daily Mail fabrication see2 . Put down the slurpy cup and read the post that has the mumsnet link. I posted that I never read the Daily Mail shit, so how could I claim that it is a Daily Mail fabrication? that is just one more of your lies. Is this what you are referring to? "Heartbreaking. Just Heartbreaking. Listening to this Father's love for his trans Daughter Brianna is powerful. This cruel government has created so much hate towards the trans community they should be ashamed." If so, how far wrong is she? Ok I’ll accept that you dismissed the DM without bothering to find another source . Very wrong . Read the link to mumsnet instead of posting in ignorance l |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2023 21:18:30 GMT
I posted that I never read the Daily Mail shit, so how could I claim that it is a Daily Mail fabrication? that is just one more of your lies. Is this what you are referring to? "Heartbreaking. Just Heartbreaking. Listening to this Father's love for his trans Daughter Brianna is powerful. This cruel government has created so much hate towards the trans community they should be ashamed." If so, how far wrong is she? Ok I’ll accept that you dismissed the DM without bothering to find another source . Very wrong . Read the link to mumsnet instead of posting in ignorance l Is the "heart breaking. Just hart breaking" comment, which I took from mumsnet, and posted in my previous post, the source of the attack on Butler? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 22, 2023 21:23:38 GMT
Ok I’ll accept that you dismissed the DM without bothering to find another source . Very wrong . Read the link to mumsnet instead of posting in ignorance l Is the "heart breaking. Just hart breaking" comment, which I took from mumsnet, and posted in my previous post, the source of the attack on Butler? Nope. There was no attack on Butler. There was criticism about politicising a murder that the police said was NOT due to transphobia. Butler attacked mumsnet by reporting them to the police . |
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Post by see2 on Dec 23, 2023 14:47:11 GMT
Is the "heart breaking. Just hart breaking" comment, which I took from mumsnet, and posted in my previous post, the source of the attack on Butler? Nope. There was no attack on Butler. There was criticism about politicising a murder that the police said was NOT due to transphobia. Butler attacked mumsnet by reporting them to the police . If it wasn't about posting her comment on social media, what exactly did she report mumsnet to the police for? |
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