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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 7, 2024 11:02:00 GMT
Well, here is a thing, when governments say thingslike, people are not ready to know about what they know about extra-terrestrials, it means they probably think that if the rest of humanity found out it was all a lie, they wouldn't be very happy knowing they had been purposely mislead. Exactly … take the Exeter(USA) Incident highlighted here: A multiple witness sighting … members of the public and several police officers. Although this report rambles a bit into a countryside nature walk!(😁) … it hits the mark 18 mins onward concerning the U.S. Air Force attempts to intimidate witnesses and disparage claims and evidence. Republican Congressman Gerald Ford (before he was President)expressed concern the Military were lying to the Public … and probably got elected (like so many Presidents in America over the last 70 years) purely on the promise they would deliver ‘transparency’ and ‘DISCLOSURE’ on this and other issues … once these guys got in the White House … they never delivered on their promises. The dark forces behind that ‘throne’ always shut down every effort to deliver the truth on these visitors to our World. What is interesting about the above video report … it highlights …. 1) The idea that certain areas of the countryside may be portals for inter-dimensional phenomena. 2) These incidents might be accompanied by extreme electrical weather related observations. 3) These craft use power lines to recharge their propulsion systems 4) These alien entities are interested in special engineering projects - nearby military facilities where nuclear weapons are stored. 5) Severe intimidation of witnesses and publication of ridiculous explanations by the Military and it’s scientists, plus removal of evidence and anything related to the subject of UFOLOGY … shows that we have a COVER-UP of enormous proportions. Towards the end of this extract, if you look at the body language of the Airforce Spokesman delivering his statement… repeatedly looking downwards … you can see he is clearly lying to the Public (the people that pays his wages) … This is inexcusable behaviour from people in which we put so much trust … to deliver security to our Countries and Planet. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 7, 2024 12:26:57 GMT
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 7, 2024 13:50:59 GMT
Well, here is a thing, when governments say thingslike, people are not ready to know about what they know about extra-terrestrials, it means they probably think that if the rest of humanity found out it was all a lie, they wouldn't be very happy knowing they had been purposely mislead. Exactly … take the Exeter(USA) Incident highlighted here: A multiple witness sighting … members of the public and several police officers. Although this report rambles a bit into a countryside nature walk!(😁) … it hits the mark 18 mins onward concerning the U.S. Air Force attempts to intimidate witnesses and disparage claims and evidence. Republican Congressman Gerald Ford (before he was President)expressed concern the Military were lying to the Public … and probably got elected (like so many Presidents in America over the last 70 years) purely on the promise they would deliver ‘transparency’ and ‘DISCLOSURE’ on this and other issues … once these guys got in the White House … they never delivered on their promises. The dark forces behind that ‘throne’ always shut down every effort to deliver the truth on these visitors to our World. What is interesting about the above video report … it highlights …. 1) The idea that certain areas of the countryside may be portals for inter-dimensional phenomena. 2) These incidents might be accompanied by extreme electrical weather related observations. 3) These craft use power lines to recharge their propulsion systems 4) These alien entities are interested in special engineering projects - nearby military facilities where nuclear weapons are stored. 5) Severe intimidation of witnesses and publication of ridiculous explanations by the Military and it’s scientists, plus removal of evidence and anything related to the subject of UFOLOGY … shows that we have a COVER-UP of enormous proportions. Towards the end of this extract, if you look at the body language of the Airforce Spokesman delivering his statement… repeatedly looking downwards … you can see he is clearly lying to the Public (the people that pays his wages) … This is inexcusable behaviour from people in which we put so much trust … to deliver security to our Countries and Planet.What a lot of verbiage and a minuscule of totally obscure footage. Bloody brilliant............ |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 8, 2024 1:35:15 GMT
Sorry, your assumptions are pretty inaccurate … and based on no evidence … At least I’m dropping members a bone or two of something tangible within these Forum limitations. Cover-up involves those in Authority(U.S. mainly) gathering definitive evidence under threat and coercion … and removing it from public view. Many Countries have respected Leaders that accept the reality of witness experiences … but are bullied and threatened by Religious factions and Deep State controllers … If lazy scientists want to stick their heads in the sand and walk around pontificating there is “no evidence” like some Authority … then they are of no use to Humanity … or Science. …. because true scientists treat subjects seriously, search for answers with due diligence … and don’t kowtow to covert forces that pull funding and distract them from where they can point their instrumentation and publish their findings. So nothing in the history record and evidence you’ve come across in your studies, Dodgy … has convinced you humans have witnessed visitors/space gods from the stars or ethereal dimensions classified as ‘religious experiences’?? … so your view … and that of a few on here is that all these witnesses are lying? - experienced military, police, airline pilots, experienced professionals … all lying or mistaken, hallucinating …. and the cameras and instruments that captured objects in photos, film, video, radar, infra-red footage … are ALL technically ‘faulty’ and comes to a big ZERO too?? … all archaeology, rock art, cuneiform scripts and historic accounts makes not “One Person” in your assessment a valid witness? Hmmm . 🤔 Maybe you and your scientist friends should exceed your limitations …. and do a little more study? … and have a rethink? … Governments and corporation lie and cover things up all the time. The problem is, you are failing to consider that you maybe being mislead by Ufologists... who are making money off selling you books and providing you with clickbait. There are also a lot of Walter Mittys out there! EVERYBODY LIES. It is basic biology that deception is used by all humans (and all animals) as a survival mechanism. I've spent a lot of time reading article / accounts / watching videos. Personally, I'm 50/50 on the issue... I find some people credible, but then I have to balance this with how common it is for people to tell lies. The only person that needs to "rethink" / "open your eyes" / "stop being a sheep" is YOU because you have swapped from being an establishment / MMS sheep... to blindly following Ufologists instead lol. Could you be wrong? If the answer is no, then frankly you are an idiot. If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are capable of actual thought. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 8, 2024 6:43:12 GMT
Governments and corporation lie and cover things up all the time. The problem is, you are failing to consider that you maybe being mislead by Ufologists... who are making money off selling you books and providing you with clickbait. There are also a lot of Walter Mittys out there! EVERYBODY LIES. It is basic biology that deception is used by all humans (and all animals) as a survival mechanism. I've spent a lot of time reading article / accounts / watching videos. Personally, I'm 50/50 on the issue... I find some people credible, but then I have to balance this with how common it is for people to tell lies. The only person that needs to "rethink" / "open your eyes" / "stop being a sheep" is YOU because you have swapped from being an establishment / MMS sheep... to blindly following Ufologists instead lol. Could you be wrong? If the answer is no, then frankly you are an idiot. If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are capable of actual thought. I don’t think you are giving me much credit here. My threads and posts are heavily filtered … I only drop a very small fraction of what I personally feel can stand up to serious scrutiny … what my gut instinct smells is ‘true’ … we all do this with all Media … especially the BBC today … I think many of these witnesses are top calibre, … from all walks of life … I find it sad you are still questioning their integrity?? … when you know full well that many have had to put up with terrible persecution for coming forward … it’s largely wrecked many lives … and the pain victims suffered has no relation to any profit Ufology researchers made feeding off these stories …. which also has little parity with the profit Religion and Deep State makes from the economy of power, control, cover-up and denial. Not to mention the profits from alien technological exploitation. We are talking $$$$trillions here.🤔 We are ALL aware how much garbage, misinformation and ‘distraction’ surrounds subjects on the fringes of Establishment science and cover-up/conspiracy. These threads are popular because people see something credible here … which is incredible. … to which is added reasoning that seriously challenges our Reality … and might influence future thinking on this subject. It’s stimulating directions our Humanity should be pursuing. We are ‘testing the waters’ for the timid … the deep end … where the sharks live. If anyone here is brainwashed … my view is … it’s the closed-minded scientists clinging to their ancient dogmas …shallow people afraid to progress from the ‘shallow end’ … confront the sharks … and the reality of new physics. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 8, 2024 11:04:59 GMT
Governments and corporation lie and cover things up all the time. The problem is, you are failing to consider that you maybe being mislead by Ufologists... who are making money off selling you books and providing you with clickbait. There are also a lot of Walter Mittys out there! EVERYBODY LIES. It is basic biology that deception is used by all humans (and all animals) as a survival mechanism. I've spent a lot of time reading article / accounts / watching videos. Personally, I'm 50/50 on the issue... I find some people credible, but then I have to balance this with how common it is for people to tell lies. The only person that needs to "rethink" / "open your eyes" / "stop being a sheep" is YOU because you have swapped from being an establishment / MMS sheep... to blindly following Ufologists instead lol. Could you be wrong? If the answer is no, then frankly you are an idiot. If the answer is yes, then congratulations, you are capable of actual thought. I don’t think you are giving me much credit here. My threads and posts are heavily filtered … I only drop a very small fraction of what I personally feel can stand up to serious scrutiny … what my gut instinct smells is ‘true’ … we all do this with all Media … especially the BBC today … I think many of these witnesses are top calibre, … from all walks of life … I find it sad you are still questioning their integrity?? … when you know full well that many have had to put up with terrible persecution for coming forward … it’s largely wrecked many lives … and the pain victims suffered has no relation to any profit Ufology researchers made feeding off these stories …. which also has little parity with the profit Religion and Deep State makes from the economy of power, control, cover-up and denial. Not to mention the profits from alien technological exploitation. We are talking $$$$trillions here.🤔 We are ALL aware how much garbage, misinformation and ‘distraction’ surrounds subjects on the fringes of Establishment science and cover-up/conspiracy. These threads are popular because people see something credible here … which is incredible. … to which is added reasoning that seriously challenges our Reality … and might influence future thinking on this subject. It’s stimulating directions our Humanity should be pursuing. We are ‘testing the waters’ for the timid … the deep end … where the sharks live. If anyone here is brainwashed … my view is … it’s the closed-minded scientists clinging to their ancient dogmas …shallow people afraid to progress from the ‘shallow end’ … confront the sharks … and the reality of new physics. Dublifter, do you have a clear picture of an alien? Show it to us. Keep it clear without your usual clutter. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 8, 2024 11:18:41 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims -
However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were provided
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 8, 2024 13:17:14 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedYou are right - it's waste of my time. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 8, 2024 14:39:31 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedIt is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. It really is quite tragic, you literally know how the conspiracy nut will reply before they even post it... ironically because there is science articles about how their closed thinking works. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 8, 2024 14:48:15 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedIt is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. I'm reminded of flat earth argumentation in which the flat-Earther asks for photographic evidence the earth is a sphere, but also rejects any photograph of the earth as faked. I guess my point is that, even if aliens were real, there is no way such could be substantially demonstrated here. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 8, 2024 16:31:19 GMT
It is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. I'm reminded of flat earth argumentation in which the flat-Earther asks for photographic evidence the earth is a sphere, but also rejects any photograph of the earth as faked. I guess my point is that, even if aliens were real, there is no way such could be substantially demonstrated here. Thank you - that's the point I have laboured- the uncertainty. |
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Post by sheepy on Jan 9, 2024 7:55:37 GMT
I'm reminded of flat earth argumentation in which the flat-Earther asks for photographic evidence the earth is a sphere, but also rejects any photograph of the earth as faked. I guess my point is that, even if aliens were real, there is no way such could be substantially demonstrated here. Thank you - that's the point I have laboured- the uncertainty. I don't think you actually read what Orac said. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 9, 2024 13:48:39 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedMy intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedIt is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. It really is quite tragic, you literally know how the conspiracy nut will reply before they even post it... ironically because there is science articles about how their closed thinking works. It is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. I'm reminded of flat earth argumentation in which the flat-Earther asks for photographic evidence the earth is a sphere, but also rejects any photograph of the earth as faked. I guess my point is that, even if aliens were real, there is no way such could be substantially demonstrated here. I disagree. I already answered and posted v.good ample evidence … sufficient proofs and reliable witness verifications … on my alien thread (bumped by Admin … from Fringe Meetings into a section they newly created - Conspiracy Theory … largely to ridicule and deliberately discredit the Factual content I use to support my theoretical evaluations). This adequate proof of aliens and ufo’s was viewed widely. A few people made interesting points … many posters are too afraid of ridicule to comment. So the Cover-up Brigade have an easy ride. Why should I keep patiently answering and posting repeatedly to a person clearly not interested in analysing the evidence? … on better moderated Forums … a TROLL like this would be warned TWICE … and then removed. As people know … video/photographic verification is difficult … fakery abounds and Photoshop makes things easy now for the Deep State Disinformation Programmes and immature monetisers and 5-minute famers … to have a field day. CGI and fakes have given Religion and Black Ops Deep State 70 years of secrecy since WW2 … time to pursue their agendas, reinforce their power base, funding and control. No President today can unseat them … some tried … but were assassinated. Those behind Black Ops are a much more solid, totalitarian, powerful danger now … than they were in the naive days of Roswell. Their lies and spokespersons are more carefully rehearsed … but still easy to expose. If you cannot wait …. Dig out the alien interrogation clip in my alien thread … analyse it carefully pts 1,2,3 … and the recent addition Pt 4 … with poor quality faked additions … which I will discuss the next time I get to post …. Apologies for the delay. Got to dash. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 10, 2024 3:26:57 GMT
My intervention here is not to provide weight to any of Dubs claims - However, I can't see the discursive objective of repeatedly challenging Dubs to provide something that would not persuade you at all even if it were providedIt is to challenge the conspiracy mindset, but as we see... it is impossible. It really is quite tragic, you literally know how the conspiracy nut will reply before they even post it... ironically because there is science articles about how their closed thinking works. I'm reminded of flat earth argumentation in which the flat-Earther asks for photographic evidence the earth is a sphere, but also rejects any photograph of the earth as faked. I guess my point is that, even if aliens were real, there is no way such could be substantially demonstrated here. I disagree. I already answered and posted v.good ample evidence … sufficient proofs and reliable witness verifications … on my alien thread (bumped by Admin … from Fringe Meetings into a section they newly created - Conspiracy Theory … largely to ridicule and deliberately discredit the Factual content I use to support my theoretical evaluations). This adequate proof of aliens and ufo’s was viewed widely. A few people made interesting points … many posters are too afraid of ridicule to comment. So the Cover-up Brigade have an easy ride. Why should I keep patiently answering and posting repeatedly to a person clearly not interested in analysing the evidence? … on better moderated Forums … a TROLL like this would be warned TWICE … and then removed. As people know … video/photographic verification is difficult … fakery abounds and Photoshop makes things easy now for the Deep State Disinformation Programmes and immature monetisers and 5-minute famers … to have a field day. CGI and fakes have given Religion and Black Ops Deep State 70 years of secrecy since WW2 … time to pursue their agendas, reinforce their power base, funding and control. No President today can unseat them … some tried … but were assassinated. Those behind Black Ops are a much more solid, totalitarian, powerful danger now … than they were in the naive days of Roswell. Their lies and spokespersons are more carefully rehearsed … but still easy to expose. If you cannot wait …. Dig out the alien interrogation clip in my alien thread … analyse it carefully pts 1,2,3 … and the recent addition Pt 4 … with poor quality faked additions … which I will discuss the next time I get to post …. Apologies for the delay. Got to dash. You are not engaging in debate, you are claiming something as fact, and then issuing conspiracy nut language responses to people who disagree with you (eg "you need to wake up" etc). I hate to break to you, but you are not in possession of unique knowledge. We have all seen your "evidence" and having varying opinions on the subject. Personally, I find the topic a giant circle jerk. They always claim they have better evidence that they cannot disclose... and I've noticed several of them have now started hinting that there is a "spiritual element" (ie angels and demons) and that the revelations are too dark to ever be released lol. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 10, 2024 6:11:19 GMT
[You are not engaging in debate, you are claiming something as fact, and then issuing conspiracy nut language responses to people who disagree with you (eg "you need to wake up" etc). I hate to break to you, but you are not in possession of unique knowledge. We have all seen your "evidence" and having varying opinions on the subject.Personally, I find the topic a giant circle jerk. They always claim they have better evidence that they cannot disclose... and I've noticed several of them have now started hinting that there is a "spiritual element" (ie angels and demons) and that the revelations are too dark to ever be released lol. To be honest … this thread was started by someone else (Sheepy) … and is a general discussion about “alien anxiety” and matters surrounding that topic. I fully engaged in that debate … but out of respect for Sheepy I didn’t think it appropriate to bombard the thread with a whole load of individual cases exploring the FACT side of this subject … which I felt had already been established on my own thread … with numerous cases and top quality witnesses being aired over many pages … to very little comment or counter opinion. If you had doubts on the veracity of that material, case by case, why didn’t you air that at the time? - engage in debate ~ case by case? … Little response suggested most members were pretty asleep to this material tbh … really good material was largely ignored. … To those that did occasionally engage … 👍👏 Now you are making a hinted general sweeping statement the material I’ve dropped is not worth much consideration? Military insider whistle-blowers aren’t your thing eh? 🤔 but it’s hardly true the thread contains no “unique knowledge”. … I have shared my own personal sighting of an object on that discussion … and added much unique comment to most sightings dropped to give a scientific/analytical slant to the limited debate … I’ve highlighted interesting technology and it’s potential … and tied in current thinking on Multiverses, time travel and multi-dimensional elements in earlier discussions.. I’ve also touched on alien/human psychology, genetic engineering and how aliens see us. Viewing figures suggest people were v. Interested … to the same degree they were on our other Forum (40+pages of material and discussion … b4 it was trashed. Hmmm …yet more Cover-Up by Authority?🤔 …. They hate these exposés!🤣🤫) Like you say … much of this knowledge isn’t unique … it’s 99.9% on the Internet and the only unique element on my own thread is how it is carefully filtered, presented and discussed. … the additional thoughts. Everyone is welcome to highlight and question anything I post … we had a detailed discussion on the old Forum about the controversy over the 2015 ‘alien interrogation’ piece, Pts 1,2 and 3 … but that discussion has been removed from the Internet by the Censors who hate Disclosure … so we have to do it all again … for a new audience … who are starting to get interested in who controls the ‘Matrix’ they live in.🤫😎. (IMPORTANT … our survival as a species depends on TRANSPARENCY and EDUCATION). A Part 4 has appeared, dropped by Meni Things on Youtube (after an 8 year delay)that throws a new spanner in the mix over veracity … so it’s worth a new discussion … If Sheepy thinks it’s relevant to his thread, I’ll let him drop it here … and we’ll see where it goes?? 🤔 … if he can find a version not degraded by Youtube’s damaging digital compression. It’s a fact, HD and 5G hasn’t stopped Deep State and NASA deliberately degrading and pixilating picture quality on the Internet … or engineering “camera faults” every time the ISS or Helioviewer spots something ‘alien’ in the view-finder. Best to dig out a Vimeo quality version of Pts 1, 2, and 3 first, Sheepy … so members can clearly see an alien with a real pulse mumbling at the cameras. Youtube’s current religious owners are against Disclosure … so they are not going to deliver or preserve any ‘proofs’ that are dropped on their platform. They will follow the Deep State directives … and just degrade them. |
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