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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 1, 2024 10:05:18 GMT
And how much were the U.S.Deep State generals willing to pay Dr Steven Greer to drop his programme of inquiries into this staggering information?? ..... youtube.com/shorts/LolQ8-qHGYo?si=xU1SuyP6CU8qAIHfThese generals were serial liars who employed bullying cover-up goons and murderers. - Many good honest brilliant researchers died during this programme of secrecy. .$$2billion appears small change.🤔 …(Taxpayers money note) ... to stop FULL Disclosure ever becoming Reality ... and to continue to sprinkle us with BULLSHIT.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 1, 2024 15:11:15 GMT
And how much were the U.S.Deep State generals willing to pay Dr Steven Greer to drop his programme of inquiries into this staggering information?? ..... What, in your opinion, is "Deep State"?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 2, 2024 6:59:57 GMT
For those struggling to get to grips with the current state of the Congressionally Disclosure Enquiry … this end of year 2023 synopsis by Dr Steven Greer is worth a look.
I recently learned he lost 3 colleagues assassinated … and also survived an attempt on his life … trying to bring this Alien/UFO Disclosure Programme before the Public.
He details above how disinformation mixed with Disclosure testimonies is making it difficult for those new to this research … to determine what is ‘real’ and what is a distraction designed to undermine Factual information..
This side of The Pond we have an acute problem … because the BBC and other UK/EU branches of MSM have been noticeably negligent in reporting FULL DETAILS of this VERY IMPORTANT Enquiry …. that shows the degree those in Authority conspired around the World … and lied for DECADES to taxpayers that pay their wages.
THIS IS SERIOUS … and BBC Management now needs to be REMOVED IMMEDIATELY … for NOT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY. … replaced with Management that will report all matters of such importance, directly … unabridged, uncensored, uncorrupted.
It’s time to end Israel’s grip of CENSORSHIP on our UK/EU Media …
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 2, 2024 15:40:05 GMT
For those struggling to get to grips with the current state of the Congressionally Disclosure Enquiry … this end of year 2023 synopsis by Dr Steven Greer is worth a look. I recently learned he lost 3 colleagues assassinated … and also survived an attempt on his life … trying to bring this Alien/UFO Disclosure Programme before the Public. He details above how disinformation mixed with Disclosure testimonies is making it difficult for those new to this research … to determine what is ‘real’ and what is a distraction designed to undermine Factual information.. This side of The Pond we have an acute problem … because the BBC and other UK/EU branches of MSM have been noticeably negligent in reporting FULL DETAILS of this VERY IMPORTANT Enquiry …. that shows the degree those in Authority conspired around the World … and lied for DECADES to taxpayers that pay their wages. THIS IS SERIOUS … and BBC Management now needs to be REMOVED IMMEDIATELY … for NOT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY. … replaced with Management that will report all matters of such importance, directly … unabridged, uncensored, uncorrupted. It’s time to end Israel’s grip of CENSORSHIP on our UK/EU Media … As usual, you have no hard physical evidence of aliens.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 3, 2024 5:11:03 GMT
You have had it explained repeatedly on the other alien discussion thread why it is impossible for any member to present physical evidence of aliens and and their craft on this Forum … yet you persist with the same trolling? … start by questioning those in Authority for the evidence you require.
…in the meantime … study carefully and trust the witness/film/radar evidence sworn under oath to Congress and to those presenting Disclosure information to the Public … finally after 5,000 years we are being informed openly what has been happening around our Earth’s airspace … and the meetings some humans have had with extra-terrestrials on U.S. airforce bases around the World.
This genie is not going back in the bottle … we have had enough of this military cover-up bullshit and the MSM that has propagated it.
If The Public and scientists don’t now speak up and stand up and get these liars removed from Office … then we will be duped and manipulated into future wars on Earth and in Space … and OUR Earth destroyed environmentally by this EVIL.
THIS IS OUR EARTH NOW …NOT THEIRS … Religious/Deep State Cartels HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DO THIS!
Humanity will prevail … and so will TRUTH.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 3, 2024 13:24:37 GMT
You have had it explained repeatedly on the other alien discussion thread why it is impossible for any member to present physical evidence of aliens and and their craft on this Forum … yet you persist with the same trolling? … start by questioning those in Authority for the evidence you require. …in the meantime … study carefully and trust the witness/film/radar evidence sworn under oath to Congress and to those presenting Disclosure information to the Public … finally after 5,000 years we are being informed openly what has been happening around our Earth’s airspace … and the meetings some humans have had with extra-terrestrials on U.S. airforce bases around the World. This genie is not going back in the bottle … we have had enough of this military cover-up bullshit and the MSM that has propagated it. If The Public and scientists don’t now speak up and stand up and get these liars removed from Office … then we will be duped and manipulated into future wars on Earth and in Space … and OUR Earth destroyed environmentally by this EVIL. THIS IS OUR EARTH NOW …NOT THEIRS … Religious/Deep State Cartels HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DO THIS! Humanity will prevail … and so will TRUTH. That's because you don't have any hard physical evidence of aliens - just your usual speculation which is not the same as truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 16:10:15 GMT
You have had it explained repeatedly on the other alien discussion thread why it is impossible for any member to present physical evidence of aliens and and their craft on this Forum … yet you persist with the same trolling? … start by questioning those in Authority for the evidence you require. …in the meantime … study carefully and trust the witness/film/radar evidence sworn under oath to Congress and to those presenting Disclosure information to the Public … finally after 5,000 years we are being informed openly what has been happening around our Earth’s airspace … and the meetings some humans have had with extra-terrestrials on U.S. airforce bases around the World. This genie is not going back in the bottle … we have had enough of this military cover-up bullshit and the MSM that has propagated it. If The Public and scientists don’t now speak up and stand up and get these liars removed from Office … then we will be duped and manipulated into future wars on Earth and in Space … and OUR Earth destroyed environmentally by this EVIL. THIS IS OUR EARTH NOW …NOT THEIRS … Religious/Deep State Cartels HAVE NO RIGHTS TO DO THIS! Humanity will prevail … and so will TRUTH. That's because you don't have any hard physical evidence of aliens - just your usual speculation which is not the same as truth. None of us are in possession of hard evidence that proves the existence of aliens coming here with absolute certainty. So we are talking about probabilities and likelihoods based upon whatever evidence we hear about or which gets reported to us. And whilst there will be many rational explanations for a lot of sightings, there do appear to be some that cannot be easily explained away. I do think something is likely to be going on and that UFOs are real. That itself, even if true - and we cannot be totally certain - does not automatically mean they are extra-terrestrial in origin. Again we can only surmise based upon their reported behaviour, supported by whatever radar, photographic or filmed evidence may exist. And some of these objects seem to exhibit moving abilities that are way beyond our capabilities. Unless we have developed far more advanced technology and kept it quiet without using it, which strikes me as being highly unlikely. It is the nature of conflict that if anyone involved in the conflict has superior capabilities they would surely use them to win. And keeping such technology secret for decades is virtually impossible. What with spies and whistle blowers, and just plain security leaks. Someone involved somewhere over a few too many drinks is going to say more than they should in some bar at some point. So I doubt very much that the advanced capabilities demonstrated are objects made or controlled by us. That means, if they are real and this seems likely to me in some cases, they must be made by someone or something else. Only two plausible explanations present themselves it seems to me. Either the objects came from somewhere else, ie were created by aliens, or they originated right here on earth but from a different time. The latter scenario assumes the possibility of time travel which as yet we have not the slightest basis for suspecting to be even possible within the laws of physics as we know them. If we nevertheless accept that it might one day be possible via some physics we as yet know nothing about, any time travellers from our own planet must surely be from the future since there is zero evidence at all for such an advanced civilisation in the past. The humanoids encountered emerging from some such craft - according to some witnesses - if real at all according to the time traveller hypothesis, would have to be either what we ourselves have evolved into, or some new intelligent species that has evolved after our own extinction. Some of the behaviour exhibited by some UFOS, eg suddenly disappearing, is actually more logically explicable as an object leaving our time than by an object moving through space. Nevertheless, we cannot know for certain that there may not be an advanced science that could explain this without the need for time travel at all. Teleportation for example. Of course, the inherent problem with time travel is it would tend to throw up constant paradoxes, so on the whole I think this explanation is less likely than the aliens hypothesis. I tend to think therefore that the most likely explanation for some sightings is that they are real and are extra-terrestrial in origin. This would not itself automatically mean that there are actual aliens on board. Such objects could be highly automated, perhaps using advanced artificial intelligence. But if some of the reported close encounters of the third kind with actual humanoid beings are in any way true, and some witnesses are far more credible than others, it would seem to suggest that some of these craft at least do have aliens on board. But there is another issue here that few people seem to think of. These beings seem to be perfectly comfortable breathing our atmosphere. So any such beings must have come from a planet whose atmospheric composition and pressure is remarkably similar to our own. Unless they are from here after all but from the future. And if they are beings from elsewhere breathing our atmosphere it is highly likely for them to be carbon based like us. And they must somehow have some means of inoculating themselves from the germs and viruses that are everywhere on this planet. It is curious that most claims of close encounter sightings seem to describe humanoid beings with two arms and two legs and a head with two eyes, breathing holes of some kind where a nose would be expected to be and a mouth likewise. For a creature so similar to us to have evolved on an entirely different planet with an entirely separate evolutionary history, seems like a huge coincidence to me of remarkable proportions. But it is not a coincidence at all if it is some being from our future that we have evolved into. The similarities to us make a lot more sense in that scenario. So although I on balance suspect an extra-terrestrial origin, some of what is reported can be more readily explained by the idea of time travellers from our distant future. If of course UFOs are real at all. And the jury is still out on multiple fronts.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 3, 2024 16:22:50 GMT
That's because you don't have any hard physical evidence of aliens - just your usual speculation which is not the same as truth. None of us are in possession of hard evidence that proves the existence of aliens coming here with absolute certainty. Totally agree.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 4, 2024 6:28:00 GMT
According to witness testimony given to The Press Club in Washington years ago + more recently to Congress …this question of extra-terrestrial origin/non-human origin has already been established. Many respected witnesses have been threatened by goons employed by the U.S. Military+MIB’s believed connected to alien factions able to move amongst us covertly.
These honourable witnesses are determined this secret shouldn’t be buried by these dishonourable lawless secretive Cartels … a hidden murderous State within the United States.
Dr Steven Greer says we have well over 100 downed craft (v.conservative estimate) proven to be of extra-terrestrial origin … many more might be in human hands due to our ability to interfere with their guidance systems. Naturally it is unlikely any viewer or poster on this Forum is free to deliver that crashed evidence and alien bodies(alive or dead) to the Membership that demands it.
Witnesses have been promised protection and made themselves available to a FULLY OPEN ENQUIRY … which we hoped the BBC and other organs of our MSM would broadcast in Full LIVE to the World … but corrupted Media refuses to acknowledge the REALITY of this situation … THIS HISTORIC MOMENT …. and continues to support this lawless hidden entity that has likely murdered so many witnesses and investigators keen to see this advanced technology and truth of visitation revealed … and human security guaranteed.
I realise this phenomena is hard to believe - especially for many here that haven’t studied the mind-blowing elements of some testimony experiences that have left many human witnesses and animals traumatised and often physically affected, sometimes abused … sometimes killed and mutilated.
The fact is we are dealing with an incredibly broad range of covered-up phenomena from a whole range of civilisations in many different stages of ‘advancement’ … physical and multi-dimensional … at a time in our own primitive development where our arrogant scientists point blank refuse to acknowledge the existence of phenomena that breaks THEIR Laws of Universal Physics. Time and again they have been too embarrassed and ridiculed by colleagues and the religious forces that control and grant fund them …. to seriously investigate ethereal dimensional entities and multiverse possibilities … admittedly charlatans and ‘distraction’ has riddled these fields of research … where proofs have been hard to determine … but as has been hinted by Dr Greer … it seems some U.S. scientists within these hidden Black Projects have made incredible advances from reverse engineering … and certain co-operation agreements with certain alien factions have been made.
Americans/Israelis with the money and power have made DEALS behind our backs … and they bully the World militarily … so everyone else tugs their forelocks and complies … The deal is believed to be alien technology in exchange for human/animals, freedom to experiment on us … cover-up/secrecy protection guarantees included.
The day these secret factions decided to use alien technology to try and take over the World … and subjugate Russia and China … reignite the Cold War … was the day they sold out Humanity. Not only did these bastards break tax-payers border security … but they compromised our airspace/Community security - and arguably our whole Planet’s future.
Those intent on trying to put this genie back in the bottle … have done this deal behind our backs …. and need removing now … These Projects need bringing back under Human control and within the Law … and Public accountability.
For our Civilisation to move forward and HAVE A FUTURE … we need to end Cold Wars now … and Star Wars Projects … and restore ISS Cooperation. ….remove greedy Globalists from positions of Power and Control … restore the funds they have stolen from Countries through corruption …. restore integrity and truth to NASA (who was complicit in Cover-up) … and restore strength and Law to the U.N. to police the World instead of Americans … Clean up our environments through practical achievable projects and take future birth control measures to ease resource pressure on our Earth ecosystem.
We need a simultaneous holistic approach to reform … starting with addressing the corruption of our mainstream media by religious forces … who have been FULLY ENGAGED in this COVER-UP since control over newspapers was first established … and Free Speech on alien narratives/UFO existence first suppressed … going back in time since intelligent humans first started to question their relationship with space god visitors and life-creators(advanced geneticists).
…. We also need Evolutionists and Scientists - who have repeatedly failed to offer us a rational answer to what came first … the chicken or the egg - to finally acknowledge alien creationist scenarios are possible and likely in our planet’s formation and evolution.
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Post by piglet on Jan 4, 2024 10:33:39 GMT
To not believe that aliens exist is like the lost tribes in the Amazon jungle that have never had contact with the outside world. The real question is where do we stand in the wider community, i suspect it will be the same as the Amazon tribes. And the politics of such, who rules who, has power, wealth, resources. It will be like earth, but on a wider scale.
Or will it? Earth is a backward place, surely things must be better elsewhere.And war? could there be klingons, or the equivalent? a race for high tech weaponry, ownership of neighbourdoods.....oh gooooooood.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 4, 2024 12:29:10 GMT
To not believe that aliens exist is like the lost tribes in the Amazon jungle that have never had contact with the outside world. The real question is where do we stand in the wider community, i suspect it will be the same as the Amazon tribes. And the politics of such, who rules who, has power, wealth, resources. It will be like earth, but on a wider scale. Or will it? Earth is a backward place, surely things must be better elsewhere.And war? could there be klingons, or the equivalent? a race for high tech weaponry, ownership of neighbourdoods.....oh gooooooood. There are no known aliens that we are aware on the the earth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 12:33:32 GMT
To not believe that aliens exist is like the lost tribes in the Amazon jungle that have never had contact with the outside world. The real question is where do we stand in the wider community, i suspect it will be the same as the Amazon tribes. And the politics of such, who rules who, has power, wealth, resources. It will be like earth, but on a wider scale. Or will it? Earth is a backward place, surely things must be better elsewhere.And war? could there be klingons, or the equivalent? a race for high tech weaponry, ownership of neighbourdoods.....oh gooooooood. There are no known aliens that we are aware on the the earth. Nor off it as far as we can tell. But they do make good stories as in "Close Encounters", "Star Trek", A.L.F. and other fiction.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jan 4, 2024 13:04:05 GMT
There are no known aliens that we are aware on the the earth. Nor off it as far as we can tell. But they do make good stories as in "Close Encounters", "Star Trek", A.L.F. and other fiction. Good old fiction, eh?
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 4, 2024 14:17:12 GMT
Dr Steven Greer says we have well over 100 downed craft (v.conservative estimate) proven to be of extra-terrestrial origin … many more might be in human hands due to our ability to interfere with their guidance systems. Naturally it is unlikely any viewer or poster on this Forum is free to deliver that crashed evidence and alien bodies(alive or dead) to the Membership that demands it. …. We also need Evolutionists and Scientists - who have repeatedly failed to offer us a rational answer to what came first … the chicken or the egg - to finally acknowledge alien creationist scenarios are possible and likely in our planet’s formation and evolution. Think about this logically... There are 195 countries in the world of which the USA has just 6% of landmass. So we can assume that if there are aliens and the USA has 100+ spacecraft, then there must be literally thousands over the entire globe. So for this conspiracy to work, literally millions of people, from hundreds of different countries, must be co-operating together... even though many hate each other. Out of these millions, not ONE PERSON has managed to sneak out video / photos of the aliens or their spacecraft, and either (a) get it to a media outlet (b) post it online themselves. So for your "deep state" cover up to work, hundreds of countries, millions of people, thousands of media outlets, hundred of thousands of independent journalists, in the internet age when anybody can publish anything... are all "in on it". As for you point about Evolutionists / Scientists. There is no "definitive truth" in science. They observe, hypothesize, predict, test predictions, then refine / alter / expand or reject the theory. They do not stop there, they repeat the cycle, and invite others to do so. This is exactly the opposite of what you are doing. You read / watch something then decide it is the "definitive truth", then tell others to wake up hahahaha.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jan 5, 2024 7:24:17 GMT
Dr Steven Greer says we have well over 100 downed craft (v.conservative estimate) proven to be of extra-terrestrial origin … many more might be in human hands due to our ability to interfere with their guidance systems. Naturally it is unlikely any viewer or poster on this Forum is free to deliver that crashed evidence and alien bodies(alive or dead) to the Membership that demands it. …. We also need Evolutionists and Scientists - who have repeatedly failed to offer us a rational answer to what came first … the chicken or the egg - to finally acknowledge alien creationist scenarios are possible and likely in our planet’s formation and evolution. Think about this logically... There are 195 countries in the world of which the USA has just 6% of landmass. So we can assume that if there are aliens and the USA has 100+ spacecraft, then there must be literally thousands over the entire globe.So for this conspiracy to work, literally millions of people, from hundreds of different countries, must be co-operating together... even though many hate each other. Out of these millions, not ONE PERSON has managed to sneak out video / photos of the aliens or their spacecraft, and either (a) get it to a media outlet (b) post it online themselves. So for your "deep state" cover up to work, hundreds of countries, millions of people, thousands of media outlets, hundred of thousands of independent journalists, in the internet age when anybody can publish anything... are all "in on it". As for you point about Evolutionists / Scientists.There is no "definitive truth" in science.They observe, hypothesize, predict, test predictions, then refine / alter / expand or reject the theory. They do not stop there, they repeat the cycle, and invite others to do so.This is exactly the opposite of what you are doing. You read / watch something then decide it is the "definitive truth", then tell others to wake up hahahaha. Sorry, your assumptions are pretty inaccurate … and based on no evidence … At least I’m dropping members a bone or two of something tangible within these Forum limitations. Cover-up involves those in Authority(U.S. mainly) gathering definitive evidence under threat and coercion … and removing it from public view. Many Countries have respected Leaders that accept the reality of witness experiences … but are bullied and threatened by Religious factions and Deep State controllers … Many people have presented the definitive proof you claim is missing … but the MSM … as we see with the BBC’s lack of coverage of this enquiry … much is suppressed and silenced by covert forces behind a veil of secrecy. Any individual who speaks out is under severe threat of being silenced … and an accident happening to their Families or careers. If lazy scientists want to stick their heads in the sand and walk around pontificating there is “no evidence” like some Authority … then they are of no use to Humanity … or Science. …. because true scientists treat subjects seriously, search for answers with due diligence … and don’t kowtow to covert forces that pull funding and distract them from where they can point their instrumentation and publish their findings. So nothing in the history record and evidence you’ve come across in your studies, Dodgy … has convinced you humans have witnessed visitors/space gods from the stars or ethereal dimensions classified as ‘religious experiences’?? … so your view … and that of a few on here is that all these witnesses are lying? - experienced military, police, airline pilots, experienced professionals … all lying or mistaken, hallucinating …. and the cameras and instruments that captured objects in photos, film, video, radar, infra-red footage … are ALL technically ‘faulty’ and comes to a big ZERO too?? … all archaeology, rock art, cuneiform scripts and historic accounts makes not “One Person” in your assessment a valid witness? Hmmm . 🤔 Maybe you and your scientist friends should exceed your limitations …. and do a little more study? … and have a rethink? … Meanwhile witnesses are still coming forward and telling about their 1st hand experiences. Some here need to realise the level that reverse engineered alien technology has reached. Study this interesting piece. If you’ve not been distracted by Admin labelling content on this Forum … you will have seen this Press Club testimony months ago when it was 1st posted in Fringe Meetings. (Admin decided to ridicule content labelling it “Conspiracy Theory”. … this is the sort of problem serious researchers have to put up with from Western Authority under Left wing censorship - especially since Biden was shoe-horned into power - and his facility of NATO/EU insurgency backing Nazis in Ukraine 2010 onwards triggered a Putin ‘intervention’ ) This group of U.S. Marines had cameras and filmed what they saw … but Deep State factions within the CIA and U.S. Military (working around the World you need to note here … not respecting borders or sovereignty) … Highly trained Groups with guns, free to murder without consulting higher authority, with no identification insignia or accountability to our Laws - surrounded these witnesses and threatened to kill them, took away the evidence and effectively shut up all but the bravest from speaking out. Being U.S. Marines saved them from being ‘smoked’/‘disappeared’. This witness is v.courageous for having the balls to speak the TRUTH against a serious threat … putting Humanity’s “need to know” about these secret operations that all-powerful Cartels are engaged in … their wealth, power, reach and control and ability to threaten and bully the weak and strong at the highest levels … you clearly have ‘no idea’ what investigators are talking about here. … Even current Presidents are not privy to this information. … Sceptics who deny his testimony and many other testimonies like it …. and turn a blind eye to the murder of researchers and witnesses … are a SERIOUS LIABILITY to the future survival of our HUMAN species.
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