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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 18:11:10 GMT
Once again what is the truth is neither here nor there. HAMAS are a terror group which is for almost everyone the truth, the BBC will not label them so becasue the BBC says that is attaching a label and making people's minds up for them, yet they attach a far right label to a group without hesitation, a group that many may disagree is far right. The thread title deals with what the BBC have done and it is clear they apply, or do not apply, labels to people as perceived by the left. That is the issue. The topic here is the Far Right coalition which governs Italy, not Hamas or the war in Gaza The BBC is a STATE broadcaster No it is not - it is a public service broadcaster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 18:18:44 GMT
The topic here is the Far Right coalition which governs Italy, not Hamas or the war in Gaza The BBC is a STATE broadcaster No it is not - it is a public service broadcaster. I refuse to get into another pointless and meaningless argument So let us call it a Public Service Broadcaster then, but my point still stands, the BBC does not have to tow the government line, it is editorialy independent. Because the UK government label certain organisations as "terrorists" it does not follow that the BBC must then describe these organisations as "terrorist organisations". The BBC constantly reminds viewers and listners that the British government regards certain organisations as terrorists, to me this is laying out the facts before people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 18:30:43 GMT
...Now let us have a look at how Wikipedia describes Giorgia Meloni's political party .... "The bulk of FdI's membership (including Meloni, who has led the party since 2014), and its symbol, the tricolour flame, hail from the post-fascist National Alliance (AN), which was established in 1995 and merged into PdL in 2009. AN was the successor to the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a neo-fascist party active from 1946 to 1995... So as usual the the "Far Right" are actually far left, faux "right". You can parrot that nonsense as often as you like. It has long been one of your favourite themes. Utter bollocks of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 18:34:30 GMT
is anything but. You might as well have quoted from the Daily Worker. Strang is it not ? How you Gammons get angry when the BBC accuratley calls The Brothers Of Italy a "far right" political party Yet you attempt to imply that The Independent as a newspaper is far Left, or similar to "The Daily Worker", when in reality The Independent is Centrist, and is generally a Liberal newspaper who's largest readership is amongst those who vote Lib Dem.
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Post by ratcliff on Dec 20, 2023 18:53:05 GMT
Indeed. So the left's argument runs: "They are far right because we say so" and "They're extremist because we say so".
And, in many cases, these "Far Right" opinions would have been considered mainstream centrist only a few years ago (and still are by most, normal people).
Far-right refers to the history of those being accused of being far-right. In the minds of the deceivers there are no far-right extremists. Such descriptions only refers to the real Conservatives. LOL Thatcher was as far-Right as they come in this country, thankfully the HoL kept her in check to some degree. She put millions out of work, closed down thousands of small businesses, put many thousands of families into the deprived state of relative poverty, sold off our gas, oil etc. etc. AND QUITE OBVIOUSLY MADE THE RICH RICHER with her Neo Liberal freeing up the financial controls. Starting by selling off shares in the Jewel in the Crown of nationalisation with the sale of Cable & Wireless, sold to her friends in the Stock Market. Given the history of right-wing (and left-wing) control it is a far too dangerous area of politics to be played around with. Your one eyed hero PM Gordon the history teacher sold off the country's gold reserves at bargain basement prices His idiocy made the country poorer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 19:55:23 GMT
He'll be screaming the N word next. Marxists are all the same.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 20, 2023 20:15:58 GMT
Once again what is the truth is neither here nor there. HAMAS are a terror group which is for almost everyone the truth, the BBC will not label them so becasue the BBC says that is attaching a label and making people's minds up for them, yet they attach a far right label to a group without hesitation, a group that many may disagree is far right. The thread title deals with what the BBC have done and it is clear they apply, or do not apply, labels to people as perceived by the left. That is the issue. The topic here is the Far Right coalition which governs Italy, not Hamas or the war in Gaza The BBC is a STATE broadcaster and not a GOVERNMENT broadcaster, the BBC do not have to tow the government line, they are editorialy independent. The BBC would describe the Lib Dems as "centrist" and the Conservatives as "centre right", and Sin Fein as Irish Republican or Irish Nationalist, it would be the correct and definitive way of describing those political parties, just the same as it would also be accurate to describe the Brothers Of Italy Party of Italy "far right". CLUE: The Brothers Of Italy Party is supported by the Mussolini family No the topic is the BBC attacking Sunak and attaching a label against their specific policy to an organisation. The BBC have a charter which outlines how they should operate that editorial independence. They should be impartial and balanced and if they have a policy on how to operate that policy should be followed for all. As has been pointed out the BBC is supposed to provide a public service and has stated it will not apply labels with its own voice as it is up to the public to make their own minds up. But that is exactly what they have done in this instance and the fact you agree with them is really of no importance other than it indicates the editorial direction they follow.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 20, 2023 20:37:01 GMT
is anything but. You might as well have quoted from the Daily Worker. Strang is it not ? How you Gammons get angry when the BBC accuratley calls The Brothers Of Italy a "far right" political party Yet you attempt to imply that The Independent as a newspaper is far Left, or similar to "The Daily Worker", when in reality The Independent is Centrist, and is generally a Liberal newspaper who's largest readership is amongst those who vote Lib Dem. It is because they did what they made a big song and dance about not doing in another context.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 21:16:20 GMT
This is stark raving bonkers
So if the BBC claimed that a Humbug was a mint, and tasted minty, would that be wrong ?, because its putting a label on it.
How should the BBC describe a far Right political party ?, or should they simply state that "The Brothers Of Italy is a political party which most observers believe is a far right party".
Or should they state that "The Brothers Of Italy is a political party, however the BBC cannot describe what type of political party for fear of breeching impartiality rules".
One is a label attached by the British government - the other is a definitive description and a reference, do you not know the difference. ?
A terror group is any group or organisation which harms, kills or intimidates usually innocent people, usually by using bombs, explosives or guns ...... a very fitting description which could very easily be applied to both Hamas and The Israeli Defence Force EQUALLY.
But the BBC does not refer to the IDF as terrorists do they ?
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2023 22:14:06 GMT
This is stark raving bonkers So if the BBC claimed that a Humbug was a mint, and tasted minty, would that be wrong ?, because its putting a label on it. How should the BBC describe a far Right political party ?, or should they simply state that "The Brothers Of Italy is a political party which most observers believe is a far right party". How is that any different from Hamas being a group which most countries and international organisations believe is a terrorist group? You do like to pick and choose...
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2023 0:33:13 GMT
Far-right refers to the history of those being accused of being far-right. In the minds of the deceivers there are no far-right extremists. Such descriptions only refers to the real Conservatives. LOL Thatcher was as far-Right as they come in this country, thankfully the HoL kept her in check to some degree. She put millions out of work, closed down thousands of small businesses, put many thousands of families into the deprived state of relative poverty, sold off our gas, oil etc. etc. AND QUITE OBVIOUSLY MADE THE RICH RICHER with her Neo Liberal freeing up the financial controls. Starting by selling off shares in the Jewel in the Crown of nationalisation with the sale of Cable & Wireless, sold to her friends in the Stock Market. Given the history of right-wing (and left-wing) control it is a far too dangerous area of politics to be played around with. Your one eyed hero PM Gordon the history teacher sold off the country's gold reserves at bargain basement prices His idiocy made the country poorer I suspect you do not know the full story behind the selling off of some of the Gold by Brown, which is in no way as bad as the selling off of UK North Sea Oil, exacerbated by the selling off of Gas, electricity etc. etc. by Thatcher. __"Gold’s most pronounced price fall in the past decade happened from October 2012 to July 2013—nine months during which the metal lost over a quarter of its value."__ Gold is an unreliable backdrop that is not used as part of the economy, nor does it earn interest in the reserves whereas the three different currencies bought from part of the proceeds of the sale of gold and placed in the reserves, do earn interest. Brown also reduced the National debt with some of the proceeds thus reducing the level of ongoing interest payments on the National debt. Brown's move may not have been his brightest, but it was done at a time when currencies were king. The sale of gold was done for the benefit of the UK economy, whereas Thatcher's selling off of the "family silver" was done in order to keep her 'Corner Shop' ideology economically afloat. I do see Brown as a very good chancellor, who also, helped by Alistair Darling, stopped the UK's recession caused by the 2008 meltdown, from turning into a depression.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 21, 2023 7:23:17 GMT
So sold off assets in the form of the Gold Reserve at knockdown prices to pay off some of the National Debt (before reinstating that debt in the following years).. ..truly a man of economic genius..
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 21, 2023 8:52:44 GMT
is anything but. You might as well have quoted from the Daily Worker. Strang is it not ? How you Gammons get angry when the BBC accuratley calls The Brothers Of Italy a "far right" political party Yet you attempt to imply that The Independent as a newspaper is far Left, or similar to "The Daily Worker", when in reality The Independent is Centrist, and is generally a Liberal newspaper who's largest readership is amongst those who vote Lib Dem. And for the BBC to attribute Rishi and his meet up on the continent as a far-right gathering exposes the sheer hypocrisy in their reporting when shying away from labelling HAMAS as a terrorist organisation. The Independent is the equivalent to the alleged symbiotic relationship between the Mail and the Right. One thing I can agree, the anti-democratic Lib Dems are a big reader. Check out their comments sections on the Independent they are absolute Genz/Millennial Loons.
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2023 15:00:17 GMT
So sold off assets in the form of the Gold Reserve at knockdown prices to pay off some of the National Debt (before reinstating that debt in the following years).. ..truly a man of economic genius.. He sold off part of an asset, (singular) and when you choose to denigrate Brown without making allowances for the International Financial Meltdown, you choose to deceive and mislead.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2023 15:05:31 GMT
So sold off assets in the form of the Gold Reserve at knockdown prices to pay off some of the National Debt (before reinstating that debt in the following years).. ..truly a man of economic genius.. He sold off part of an asset, (singular) and when you choose to denigrate Brown without making allowances for the International Financial Meltdown, you choose to deceive and mislead. Don't be daft , during the financial crisis no other leader of any country apart from the UK flogged off it's Gold reserves on the cheap.
The sale generated around $3.5billion – or £2.4billion. If Mr Brown had kept the gold, it would now be worth around £17billion. The average price since the sale ended has been almost quadruple that price, at around $1,000.
LOL...... and Starmer/Labour are worse than Brown.
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