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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 19, 2023 9:11:33 GMT
The Brothers Of Italy political party is not a political party that WAS far right, it is a political party that IS far right. It has not turned into something resembling the UK Conservative Party ( where Populists are now in open warfare with traditional Conservatives ), it was, and still is a far right political party with established links to Neo Nazi organisations. The BBC is 100% correct, and there is no getting away from it, to say otherwise is a clear distortion of both the truth and reality. Yes it is true that some Labour MPs in their younger days were hot Reds, its common in politics, Winston Churchill was a Liberal, but this has absolutely no bearing on the fact that both Italys Prime Minister and the party she belongs to are Far Right. You only have to tell it as it is in this lefty woke day and age to be branded far right fiddles Not "Far right" just right so far. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 19, 2023 10:35:04 GMT
I'm convinced Sunak is a closet lefty, I'd go as far as to say some of his antics are more left wing than Starmer's, and he's getting rid of those around him who have right wing tendencies.
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Post by Orac on Dec 19, 2023 15:06:48 GMT
Sid is just following the pattern of gas-lighting.
ie "The Conservative party was always the same as the liberal democrats and any objectors are far right extremists pushing the party right."
Once again we are treated to the bizarre spectacle of communists attempting to tell conservatives where the conservative party should sit politically
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2023 15:17:25 GMT
You only have to tell it as it is in this lefty woke day and age to be branded far right fiddles Not "Far right" just right so far. I guess that's supposed to be clever LOL |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2023 15:19:22 GMT
Well lets see if there could be any truth in what the BBC have stated Lets look a recent British newspaper article from The Independent, this is what it states ... "she cut her political teeth on the streets of Rome as a teenage neo-fascist activist, rising to become Italy’s first female premier. The other is a former investment banker who became Britain’s wealthiest prime minister, and its first of colour. Yet whatever their very different backgrounds, the ties between Giorgia Meloni and Rishi Sunak are likely to grow even closer on Saturday when he attends a rightwing political festival in Rome organised by her hardline Brothers of Italy party" Now let us have a look at how Wikipedia describes Giorgia Meloni's political party .... "The bulk of FdI's membership (including Meloni, who has led the party since 2014), and its symbol, the tricolour flame, hail from the post-fascist National Alliance (AN), which was established in 1995 and merged into PdL in 2009. AN was the successor to the Italian Social Movement (MSI), a neo-fascist party active from 1946 to 1995" --------------------------------------------------------------- So were the BBC been honest in describing the rally as "Far Right" ? YES absolutely 100% honest, that is who she is, and what she is, including her political party .. FAR RIGHT Honesty has nothing to do with it as John Timpson helped to state the BBC position "The answer goes right back to the BBC's founding principles. Terrorism is a loaded word, which people use about an outfit they disapprove of morally. It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn - who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. We regularly point out that the British and other governments have condemned Hamas as a terrorist organisation, but that's their business. We also run interviews with guests and quote contributors who describe Hamas as terrorists. The key point is that we don't say it in our voice. Our business is to present our audiences with the facts, and let them make up their own minds." www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432Now I fully accept that as an argument and an impartial position, however that does not apply when they label groups far right, whether one believes they are accurate or not they are not adhering to their own guideilnes that they stress they meet so assidiously. People are not expected to make up their own minds as regards this aspect the BBC guide them as to what to believe. In all it seems like typical leftish hypocrisy that can only really be defended by the left and they do so in droves and with the same levels of hypocrisy. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2023 15:21:17 GMT
Facts are facts - the Italian Prime Minister has a track record of supporting a neo-nazi political organisation, her party has very close links to far right politics. Stop trying to push back on the truth - The BBC are 100% correct Pillock, you are typically missing the point, and by some margin. The reason Giorgia Meloni is prime minister is because Italians are sick of mass immigration and believe me, the left wing EU are very aware that mass immigration is not only a huge issue in Italy but is driving right wing politics in Europe. People who warned that forced mass immigration would cause social unrest were shouted down as far right and racists. But it's happening, these things take time but for more than a decade thanks to the EU and mass immigration right wing politicians are comming to the fore. You will of course scoff, as you did at UKIP. The immigration / asylum problem is a legal problem Voting Far Right is NEVER a clever thing to do. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 19, 2023 15:25:58 GMT
Pillock, you are typically missing the point, and by some margin. The reason Giorgia Meloni is prime minister is because Italians are sick of mass immigration and believe me, the left wing EU are very aware that mass immigration is not only a huge issue in Italy but is driving right wing politics in Europe. People who warned that forced mass immigration would cause social unrest were shouted down as far right and racists. But it's happening, these things take time but for more than a decade thanks to the EU and mass immigration right wing politicians are comming to the fore. You will of course scoff, as you did at UKIP. The immigration / asylum problem is a legal problem Voting Far Right is NEVER a clever thing to do. You wouldn't know far right if it were stuffed up your rectum c2nile. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2023 15:33:55 GMT
Pillock, you are typically missing the point, and by some margin. The reason Giorgia Meloni is prime minister is because Italians are sick of mass immigration and believe me, the left wing EU are very aware that mass immigration is not only a huge issue in Italy but is driving right wing politics in Europe. People who warned that forced mass immigration would cause social unrest were shouted down as far right and racists. But it's happening, these things take time but for more than a decade thanks to the EU and mass immigration right wing politicians are comming to the fore. You will of course scoff, as you did at UKIP. The immigration / asylum problem is a legal problem Voting Far Right is NEVER a clever thing to do. However, reading the BBC statements, it is not the BBC's job to tell us who is and is not far right, they say in that respect we are supposed to make up our own minds. I can live with that, if the BBC would only stick to it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 19, 2023 15:47:24 GMT
The immigration / asylum problem is a legal problem Voting Far Right is NEVER a clever thing to do. You wouldn't know far right if it were stuffed up your rectum c2nile. Indeed. It strikes me that there's two forms of Faux Right: 1) Anyone disagreeing with the woke left is automatically labelled "Far Right". 2) The so called "Far Right" parties of Europe which all espouse various forms of socialism and are therefore left wing. But then the woke left have always been desperate to blame a fictitious "Far Right" for their own less desirable aspects. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 16:29:42 GMT
You wouldn't know far right if it were stuffed up your rectum c2nile. Indeed. It strikes me that there's two forms of Faux Right: 1) Anyone disagreeing with the woke left is automatically labelled "Far Right". 2) The so called "Far Right" parties of Europe which all espouse various forms of socialism and are therefore left wing. But then the woke left have always been desperate to blame a fictitious "Far Right" for their own less desirable aspects. The usual bunkum which is one of your favourite false flag hobby horses. The far right are not left wing. Which is why they are called the far right and not the far left. But I agree there is a lot of mislabelling of anyone who is right of centre as far right. Though the reverse is also true. Anyone left of New Labour is often falsely labelled far left. Numerous right wingers on this forum often do this to me. Including sometimes you. But I am no more far left than you are far right. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2023 16:49:16 GMT
The immigration / asylum problem is a legal problem Voting Far Right is NEVER a clever thing to do. You wouldn't know far right if it were stuffed up your rectum c2nile. Just another immature senile post as expected from yourself. ^^^ |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2023 16:53:12 GMT
You wouldn't know far right if it were stuffed up your rectum c2nile. Indeed. It strikes me that there's two forms of Faux Right: 1) Anyone disagreeing with the woke left is automatically labelled "Far Right". 2) The so called "Far Right" parties of Europe which all espouse various forms of socialism and are therefore left wing. But then the woke left have always been desperate to blame a fictitious "Far Right" for their own less desirable aspects. 1) Mostly correct. 2) Totally wrong. There is plenty in history to show the dangers and difference of far left and far right. Pity they haven't entered your line of thinking. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 19, 2023 17:11:43 GMT
The usual bunkum which is one of your favourite false flag hobby horses. The far right are not left wing. Which is why they are called the far right and not the far left. Oh dear, Shrieks. The common denominator of these so called "Far Right" parties is either nationalism and/or an anti-immigration stance, neither of which are the exclusive preserve of the right. And they all share some form of socialist policy. So no, bunkum it isn't. But I agree there is a lot of mislabelling of anyone who is right of centre as far right. Though the reverse is also true. Anyone left of New Labour is often falsely labelled far left. Numerous right wingers on this forum often do this to me. Including sometimes you. But I am no more far left than you are far right. And I'd disagree there,too: Simply being a centrist is sufficient to be labelled "Far right" where the woke left are concerned. As I'm sure Fiddler or SeeNile are about to prove. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2023 22:30:35 GMT
Sid is just following the pattern of gas-lighting. ie "The Conservative party was always the same as the liberal democrats and any objectors are far right extremists pushing the party right."
Once again we are treated to the bizarre spectacle of communists attempting to tell conservatives where the conservative party should sit politically How very wrong can you be ? The Conservative Party was ( WAS ) always a fairly moderate right of centre political party, and some of the leaders I admired, and had respect for, including John Major, Edward Heath and Harold Macmillan. The Conservative Party has never been a far right or radical right political party, though it has always had its right wing sections such as The Monday Club, and in more recent years The European Research Group, and the new "Northern Research Group" who are mostly Populists representing Red Wall seats. The Tories have got a really big problem - lurch to the Populist / Right and they lose hundreds of thousands of votes in middle England and Tory heartlands, revert back to traditional Conservatism and they lose the Red Wall seats and lots of support in the North. There s a civil war going on right now within the Tory Party |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 19, 2023 22:53:46 GMT
Sid is just following the pattern of gas-lighting. ie "The Conservative party was always the same as the liberal democrats and any objectors are far right extremists pushing the party right."
Once again we are treated to the bizarre spectacle of communists attempting to tell conservatives where the conservative party should sit politically How very wrong can you be ? The Conservative Party was ( WAS ) always a fairly moderate right of centre political party, and some of the leaders I admired, and had respect for, including John Major, Edward Heath and Harold Macmillan. The Conservative Party has never been a far right or radical right political party, though it has always had its right wing sections such as The Monday Club, and in more recent years The European Research Group, and the new "Northern Research Group" who are mostly Populists representing Red Wall seats. The Tories have got a really big problem - lurch to the Populist / Right and they lose hundreds of thousands of votes in middle England and Tory heartlands, revert back to traditional Conservatism and they lose the Red Wall seats and lots of support in the North. There s a civil war going on right now within the Tory Party Ho Heath was a Bureaucrat with no nod at all to democracy which he thought just got in the way of running the country which he had no real idea how to do either as Selsdon man or the Turncoat that appeared with some consummate ease as the need arose. Major just wanted to be in the EU and was determined to have his way irrespective of what the people wanted and Macmillan was an old guard Tory at ease with wielding power and keen to see the establishment remain as exactly that. Having said that the political heavyweights seem to have disappeared from public life. Kinnock was the first of the demise of that Ilk in Labour and Thatcher realistically the last in the Tories. The debating skills of Powell and Foot and the pinpoint accuracy with which they made their points is just a warm glow from the past |
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