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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 19:32:11 GMT
I don't know where you get the idea the benefits they received was being abused .
Like I said there no report the poor children was starving or if they had any gas/electric supply.
The children seemed clothed im not excusing the way these poor children was treated but fail to see what money got to do with it
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 8, 2022 19:36:23 GMT
I don't know where you get the idea the benefits they received was being abused . Like I said there no report the poor children was starving or if they had any gas/electric supply. The children seemed clothed im not excusing the way these poor children was treated but fail to see what money got to do with it Are you compos mentis? The kids were living in filth, absolute squalor. And their parents were claiming £84,000 a year in benefits. FFS think about it before responding.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 20:08:38 GMT
And like I said what has the money got to do with it
Are you saying if they received 20.000 a year or a million a year these scum would of treated there children better or lived in better conditions
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 8, 2022 20:27:37 GMT
And like I said what has the money got to do with it Are you saying if they received 20.000 a year or a million a year these scum would of treated there children better or lived in better conditions I sense we're moving in circles, however. The parents received £84,000 a year in benefits, don't you think the authorities whether that's the council, DWP or some other government agency, had a responsibility not only to the children, but to ensure the benefit system is not abused.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2022 20:31:48 GMT
The seven neglected children having lived in that hovel will have serious issues to say the least, which will cost the taxpayers even more Indeed, apparently they have got psychological problems, who's surprised. And who knew about this and said nothing, what about the kids school. Kids who were so obviously neglected would not have gone unnoticed. Good question who knew and did nothing or say nothing, yes, I am surprised that the school did not ask why the kids were not at school, did the neighbours just keep quiet about the noise, and smell possibly too frightened, or just did not care
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Post by Steve on Nov 8, 2022 20:31:58 GMT
And like I said what has the money got to do with it Are you saying if they received 20.000 a year or a million a year these scum would of treated there children better or lived in better conditions I sense we're moving in circles, however. The parents received £84,000 a year in benefits, don't you think the authorities whether that's the council, DWP or some other government agency, had a responsibility not only to the children, but to ensure the benefit system is not abused. Well with the benefit cap at £20k it seems obvious that a significant degree of fraud has been going on. I guess Covid gave a lot of opportunities for that. But we shouldn't go down the 'best a million starve lest one get fat' line on benefits.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 20:43:46 GMT
Steve thats if they received 85, 000 a year the story first broke in the DM and think the metro picked up on the story. I take what the DM says with a pinch of salt especially when it comes to benefit claims.
And has you said there a cap on benefits. Has for your claim there was probably some fraud going on thats some fraud.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 20:47:22 GMT
And like I said what has the money got to do with it Are you saying if they received 20.000 a year or a million a year these scum would of treated there children better or lived in better conditions I sense we're moving in circles, however. The parents received £84,000 a year in benefits, don't you think the authorities whether that's the council, DWP or some other government agency, had a responsibility not only to the children, but to ensure the benefit system is not abused. Once again what makes you think the benefits no mater how much they claimed was being abused.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 8, 2022 20:56:08 GMT
I sense we're moving in circles, however. The parents received £84,000 a year in benefits, don't you think the authorities whether that's the council, DWP or some other government agency, had a responsibility not only to the children, but to ensure the benefit system is not abused. Well with the benefit cap at £20k it seems obvious that a significant degree of fraud has been going on. I guess Covid gave a lot of opportunities for that. But we shouldn't go down the 'best a million starve lest one get fat' line on benefits. As far as I'm aware no one has suggested benefit fraud, according to all reports I can find they were quite legitimately claiming £84,000 a year, or £7,000 a month. It's not known how long they were claiming these benefits, and it seems the council and DWP, were unconcerned. Given the government shell out well over £200 billion a year in benefit payments, it Kinda makes me wonder how many times this is replicated up & down the country.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 8, 2022 21:22:04 GMT
Indeed, no mention of Benefit Fraud in the media, nor by you,
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 8, 2022 22:08:51 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Nov 8, 2022 22:20:07 GMT
There are many other benefits they will be receiving, things like children allowances for several kids, school meals, help with rent; I'm sure you can find some more that don't mean dole payments.
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Post by Steve on Nov 8, 2022 22:27:22 GMT
Well with the benefit cap at £20k it seems obvious that a significant degree of fraud has been going on. I guess Covid gave a lot of opportunities for that. But we shouldn't go down the 'best a million starve lest one get fat' line on benefits. As far as I'm aware no one has suggested benefit fraud, according to all reports I can find they were quite legitimately claiming £84,000 a year, or £7,000 a month. It's not known how long they were claiming these benefits, and it seems the council and DWP, were unconcerned. Given the government shell out well over £200 billion a year in benefit payments, it Kinda makes me wonder how many times this is replicated up & down the country. Actually it's only £142B but it's a huge amount of money. We certainly do need to see more about how they were allegedly getting that supposed £7k a month. www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/
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Post by borchester on Nov 8, 2022 22:35:49 GMT
Couple who claimed £84,000-a-year benefits let children live in absolute squalor. A couple who neglected seven children and 36 dogs they kept in a filthy three-bed house while ‘frittering away’ £84,000 a year in benefits have been jailed. Christopher Bennett, 35, and Gemma Brogan, 41, were arrested after officers called to a domestic incident at their property in Eastbourne, Sussex, found the kids living in ‘shocking and repugnant’ conditions. They later told a court how they were met with a ‘stench of faeces and urine’ leaving them ‘unable to breathe normally’ as well as a ‘deafening’ din coming from the dozens of malnourished dogs barking and leaping around. metro.co.uk/2022/11/07/couple-on-84000-a-year-benefits-let-girl-sleep-covered-in-dog-poo-17714033/The fact that a couple can claim £84,000 a year, that's £7,000 a month in benefits is incredible. But the council quite obviously don't do any follow up checks. I would have thought if a council were shelling out so much in benefits, they may have an interest in how it's been spent, but clearly not. Had they been more diligent the children and dogs could have been rescued a damned sight sooner. From the newspaper story, neither Christopher Bennett or Gemma Brogan seemed to be the full ticket. And if you keep quiet the DSS or whatever it is called these days, don't have the resources to check up on every claimant.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 8, 2022 22:52:28 GMT
As far as I'm aware no one has suggested benefit fraud, according to all reports I can find they were quite legitimately claiming £84,000 a year, or £7,000 a month. It's not known how long they were claiming these benefits, and it seems the council and DWP, were unconcerned. Given the government shell out well over £200 billion a year in benefit payments, it Kinda makes me wonder how many times this is replicated up & down the country. Actually it's only £142B but it's a huge amount of money. We certainly do need to see more about how they were allegedly getting that supposed £7k a month. www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/Oh ffs trust you. I'm not focusing on the benefits bill. I'm focusing on the fact that a couple were claiming £84,000 a year in benefits yet their children lived in absolute squalor. Don't you think the council or DWP or whoever was handing £84,000 a year to this couple had some responsibility to know how that money is being spent? I fail to see how anyone could say this is not gross negligence and incompetence. And what's nagging at me is the thought that this is repeated thousands of times all over the country. Why shouldn't it be? Had it not been for the police this case would never have come to light. In my honest opinion, anyone who claims benefits should have unannounced visits from the council/DWP and if they cant provide bank statements their benefits should be withdrawn. If they're claiming benefits, they should have nothing to hide. You may think that's harsh, I most certainly do not.
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