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Post by om15 on Dec 20, 2023 18:19:03 GMT
Which facts outlined in this report are incorrect?
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Post by morayloon on Dec 20, 2023 18:35:57 GMT
Which facts outlined in this report are incorrect? To be honest, didn't bother reading it. Tory & Unionist, 2 reasons to be suspicious. Was it a Herald article by any chance? Perhaps, if I have time, I'll get round to having a look.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 20:20:35 GMT
^^ Imagine attacking something without even reading it.
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Post by om15 on Dec 20, 2023 20:45:21 GMT
Obviously, that is about the level of intelligent debate forthcoming from the Separatist movement, no wonder your failing country is in such a parlous state. Try reading it and listening to us, you might find it informative.
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Post by morayloon on Dec 21, 2023 0:54:42 GMT
Obviously, that is about the level of intelligent debate forthcoming from the Separatist movement, no wonder your failing country is in such a parlous state. Try reading it and listening to us, you might find it informative. You are top of the class for ignoring info. And as for intelligent debate? Don't get me started on your complete lack of that facet. You thought you were onto a winner but you didn't check his background. You should have been alerted by the article appearing in the Unionist Herald - you didn't deny it was published in that rag.
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Post by morayloon on Dec 21, 2023 8:51:42 GMT
On the matter of top earners leaving Scotland because of the tax increases, here's the view of one high earner (this was posted on FB). It shows how stupid such a move would be
WILL THE NEW SCOTTISH TAX RATES FOR HIGH EARNERS RESULT IN A MASS EXODUS OF HIGHER EARNERS TO ENGLAND? According to STV and BBC this evening it will so let’s have a closer look. I earn in round figures £100k pa. I live in Scotland where the average house price is £192k. The new higher rate for higher earners will mean I am £2000 worse off so should I move to England? The average house price in England is £291k. Therefore if I move to England I will (on average) have to increase my mortgage by £100k for a similar house to the one I live in Scotland now. My mortgage will increase by about £900 per month which is £10800 per year. In Scotland my current Band D council tax is about £500 a year less than the average council tax band D in England. Furthermore when I move to England water rates will be significantly higher than in Scotland and I will have to start paying for prescriptions, higher education, hospital car parking, home care for elderly relatives, bridge tolls etc etc etc. A conservative estimate would mean I would be roughly £11500 worse off in order to save £2000 so I really don’t think I should move to England because I would in fact be £9500 worse off. Non of this was taken into consideration by STV or BBC of course.
A bit of perspective, that's what's needed
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Post by om15 on Dec 21, 2023 11:37:10 GMT
That convoluted bunkem contains the sort of desperate retort favoured by earlier SNP devotees on this forum. It is nonsense and the fact that you can't see that explains why your views are so one sided. In general devolution in Scotland and Wales is a disaster, both countries have voted in complete incompetents that would struggle with the 11 plus and allowed them to manage billions of pounds of budget, this spectacular folly results in huge deficits which have to be filled by Westminster. The good thing about raising tax thresholds to sky high levels in Scotland is that these deficits will now have to be funded by those who voted these morons into power. I am glad that you are happy to do so.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 21, 2023 11:58:12 GMT
If either the Labour or the Tory party put the abolition of devolution into a manifesto for the next General Election, they'd win hands down.
No doubt about it whatsoever.
Devolution is a failure, a farce, a fuck up.
Time to end it.
One nation UK. One legal system for all of us. One tax system for all of us. And end the Barnett formula.
Lets make equality not animosity the central thing in our country.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 21, 2023 13:50:41 GMT
On the matter of top earners leaving Scotland because of the tax increases, here's the view of one high earner (this was posted on FB). It shows how stupid such a move would be WILL THE NEW SCOTTISH TAX RATES FOR HIGH EARNERS RESULT IN A MASS EXODUS OF HIGHER EARNERS TO ENGLAND?According to STV and BBC this evening it will so let’s have a closer look.I earn in round figures £100k pa. I live in Scotland where the average house price is £192k. The new higher rate for higher earners will mean I am £2000 worse off so should I move to England? The average house price in England is £291k. Therefore if I move to England I will (on average) have to increase my mortgage by £100k for a similar house to the one I live in Scotland now. My mortgage will increase by about £900 per month which is £10800 per year. In Scotland my current Band D council tax is about £500 a year less than the average council tax band D in England. Furthermore when I move to England water rates will be significantly higher than in Scotland and I will have to start paying for prescriptions, higher education, hospital car parking, home care for elderly relatives, bridge tolls etc etc etc. A conservative estimate would mean I would be roughly £11500 worse off in order to save £2000 so I really don’t think I should move to England because I would in fact be £9500 worse off. Non of this was taken into consideration by STV or BBC of course.A bit of perspective, that's what's needed Well it would be £291k if you were insane enough to believe figures including london mean anything. Excluding london that average price is rather lower
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Post by om15 on Dec 21, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
According to the Office for National Statistics figures published in June 2023 give average house prices as follows,
England £306,000 Wales £213,000 Scotland £189,000 NI £174,000
Edinburgh £335,471 London £733,020 Cardiff £289,593
None of the above has any bearing on the fiscal incompetence and criminality displayed by the SNP in Scotland, nor detract from the fact that devolution has been a disaster for those who voted for it.
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Post by happyjack on Dec 21, 2023 14:32:37 GMT
On the matter of top earners leaving Scotland because of the tax increases, here's the view of one high earner (this was posted on FB). It shows how stupid such a move would be WILL THE NEW SCOTTISH TAX RATES FOR HIGH EARNERS RESULT IN A MASS EXODUS OF HIGHER EARNERS TO ENGLAND?According to STV and BBC this evening it will so let’s have a closer look.I earn in round figures £100k pa. I live in Scotland where the average house price is £192k. The new higher rate for higher earners will mean I am £2000 worse off so should I move to England? The average house price in England is £291k. Therefore if I move to England I will (on average) have to increase my mortgage by £100k for a similar house to the one I live in Scotland now. My mortgage will increase by about £900 per month which is £10800 per year. In Scotland my current Band D council tax is about £500 a year less than the average council tax band D in England. Furthermore when I move to England water rates will be significantly higher than in Scotland and I will have to start paying for prescriptions, higher education, hospital car parking, home care for elderly relatives, bridge tolls etc etc etc. A conservative estimate would mean I would be roughly £11500 worse off in order to save £2000 so I really don’t think I should move to England because I would in fact be £9500 worse off. Non of this was taken into consideration by STV or BBC of course.A bit of perspective, that's what's needed It is hard to disagree with this high earner’s thinking. Who in their right mind would want to give up on all of those benefits (and more) by moving to England or through any other action if they could avoid it? So, how do we continue to enjoy these benefits? Well, when it comes to property prices, we have to make a choice. Property prices reflect the relationship between supply and demand for property. Demand (and therefore prices) in England is much higher than in Scotland due to supply failing to keep apace with the seemingly inexorable growth of the population of England - due, in turn, primarily to immigration. So, if we want to continue to benefit from relatively low property prices in Scotland, we need to ensure that demand does not outstrip supply anymore than it does now, otherwise property prices will rise. Realistically, there is not much potential for the supply side to exceed demand anytime soon so that would mean keeping the lid on demand. Should we therefore be discouraging people from moving to Scotland and perhaps even try to persuade more of our population (inevitably our more ambitious and brightest) to move away, and accept the economic and fiscal implications that this would bring given the ageing demographic profile of our citizenry, just to keep our property prices down - or do we continue to value immigration, to try to encourage people to come to Scotland, and accept the increase in property prices and the housing and infrastructure crisis that would inevitably accompany this as a price worth paying if we ever do manage to attract meaningful amounts of people to move here? As for most (if not all) of the other benefits of living in Scotland that this high earner lists, we are only able to enjoy these things rather than live within our much more modest means because of the very generous fiscal benefits of UK membership, where - ScotGov receives £126 per capita to spend on devolved matters in Scotland from HM Treasury for every £100 that it spends per capita on the same matters in England, and - over all, Scotland receives a massive £25 billion per annum more in public service provision than it raises in revenue. Just as (as you acknowledge above) it would be stupid for our high earner to walk away from Scotland and lose out on all of these benefits, Scotland would, of course, be every bit as stupid to walk away from the UK and lose out on them too. This might seem like a no brainer but, quite incredibly, there are some Scots who desperately want to impose this horrific damage (and more) upon the Scottish people.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 21, 2023 15:44:05 GMT
According to the Office for National Statistics figures published in June 2023 give average house prices as follows, England £306,000 Wales £213,000 Scotland £189,000 NI £174,000 Edinburgh £335,471 London £733,020 Cardiff £289,593 None of the above has any bearing on the fiscal incompetence and criminality displayed by the SNP in Scotland, nor detract from the fact that devolution has been a disaster for those who voted for it. I’m sure it doesn’t. House prices reflect the expense and income available to those living there. As far back as 1981 a science graduate could not afford a house within five miles of the places in Cardiff they might work at. My post as i’m sure you picked up was merely trying to show the implausibility of the quoted values for living in england wales and scotland. People move for many reasons. Being unable to afford to stay put is high on the list. My move to Newport. My daughter’s move to Bristol. Sadly she’s been forced to repatriate to the welsh wanker’s fiefdom, a car crash writing off her other half’s car even though not their fault has dented his DTI so badly they can no longer afford to look at houses in Weston and have been forced to start their housing ownership journey in a 20mph zone with a C tax code. But hopefully not for long.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 18, 2024 9:27:38 GMT
Police investigation into SNP finances affected how public viewed party: Yousaf....
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