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Post by Handyman on Oct 11, 2022 17:30:47 GMT
Society deserves the police 'we pay for', tax payers pay their wages, they are public servants, they aren't paid prance around like Fairies, they are there to uphold law and order, which they are clearly not doing, in fact they are almost aiding and abetting offenders, just looking at them smiling while they are 'breaking the law'.
The police need to be answerable to the public, they serve the many not the few who they are pondering to, and the many of us are getting pissed off with Eco warriors and the police.
Agree - how about American style elected Police Chiefs, at least they respond to the sort of policing the public desire. Last thing I want is Gung Ho American Style of Policing her in the UK, |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 11, 2022 20:23:43 GMT
Society gets the policing it deserves. Society deserves the police 'we pay for', tax payers pay their wages, they are public servants, they aren't paid prance around like Fairies, they are there to uphold law and order, which they are clearly not doing, in fact they are almost aiding and abetting offenders, just looking at them smiling while they are 'breaking the law'.
The police need to be answerable to the public, they serve the many not the few who they are pondering to, and the many of us are getting pissed off with Eco warriors and the police.
I agree that the police deal with far too much trivial nonsense that they absolutely should not. But who calls the police to deal with this trivial nonsense. Now let me think... Oh yeah, Joe Public. And who demands “Service” over this trivial nonsense? Oh yeah, Joe Public. And who makes the law and policy that requires the police to deal with this trivial nonsense? Oh yeah, the politicians that Joe Public votes for. And that's how the police get tied up with trivial nonsense while Joe Public complains that there aren't enough police to deal with all the other stuff, without ever considering that the cause of that might actually be them. Robert Peel said: “The police are the public and the public are the police”. And he was right. Joe Public has become infantilised and therefore so have his police. Yeah, you paid for it. Just like you asked for it and you got it (collectively). |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 11, 2022 20:46:04 GMT
Society deserves the police 'we pay for', tax payers pay their wages, they are public servants, they aren't paid prance around like Fairies, they are there to uphold law and order, which they are clearly not doing, in fact they are almost aiding and abetting offenders, just looking at them smiling while they are 'breaking the law'.
The police need to be answerable to the public, they serve the many not the few who they are pondering to, and the many of us are getting pissed off with Eco warriors and the police.
Agree - how about American style elected Police Chiefs, at least they respond to the sort of policing the public desire. We already have that with the police and crime commissioners. They have been a disastrous idea, they've tried to bring party politics into the police, when that is the last thing we need. It's the only time I spoil my ballot. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2022 21:52:29 GMT
Agree - how about American style elected Police Chiefs, at least they respond to the sort of policing the public desire. We already have that with the police and crime commissioners. They have been a disastrous idea, they've tried to bring party politics into the police, when that is the last thing we need. It's the only time I spoil my ballot. But they have no real power over the Police. If the Commissioner of each force were elected then he can direct the priorities of coppers on the ground and if the public did not like his decisions they could replace him with someone else. If democracy is good enough for choosing the direction of government why not for the direction of policing in the UK. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 11, 2022 22:12:22 GMT
If you want the police to spring into instant action just state the wrong thing on social media. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of officers then.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 12, 2022 18:46:16 GMT
We all have the right to Protest Peacefully, which Police actually facilitate a right we should all hold dearly IMO. However, as the new Police Commissioner of the Met explained to the London Assembly today, basically they have to stay within the rules www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/12/just-stop-oil-protests.. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 12, 2022 19:14:33 GMT
If you want the police to spring into instant action just state the wrong thing on social media. There doesn't seem to be any shortage of officers then. Not certain but I doubt the Police do trawl the internet looking for hate crimes, but they will investigate if someone reports a hate crime to them |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2022 19:28:44 GMT
The 'Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022' gives senior police officers the powers to remove protestors who are taking part in a march or static assembly if they are causing disorder, damage or disruption to people's lives. Blocking a road is certainly causing disruption to people's lives. Also, wilfully obstructing the public highway is an offence under the Highways Act 1980. So, the police have the law on their side, they have the powers to remove these idiots. Yet they still allow them to block roads for hours and treat them with kid gloves. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of Chief Constables, by the balls if necessary.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2022 20:05:42 GMT
The 'Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022' gives senior police officers the powers to remove protestors who are taking part in a march or static assembly if they are causing disorder, damage or disruption to people's lives. Blocking a road is certainly causing disruption to people's lives. Also, wilfully obstructing the public highway is an offence under the Highways Act 1980. So, the police have the law on their side, they have the powers to remove these idiots. Yet they still allow them to block roads for hours and treat them with kid gloves. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of Chief Constables, by the balls if necessary. I thought causing an obstruction on the Kings highway was a a crime in itself......Yet more bloody wokery from our not fit for purpose plod......The Police shouldn't even bother turning up and just let the public sort out these Eco morons
Police arrest dozens of protesters as Insulate Britain and Just Stop Oil eco zealots descend on Westminster as Met chief says road-blockers are not causing enough 'serious disruption' to be removed - but says officers must stop giving them 'cups of tea'
Insulate Britain blocked the route to Westminster as they attempted to disrupt Liz Truss's trip to Parliament
The 12th day saw at least 27 people arrested after eco-warriors blocked the roads around Parliament Square
It came as Sir Mark Rowley said officers have to wait until protests are deemed to meet a legal threshold
It was also reported that Sir Mark was told police officers were allegedly handing cups of tea to protesters
Sir Mark said he was not aware adding: 'I hope we're not doing that, I agree with you it's not our responsibility.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2022 20:17:41 GMT
I watched them on TV this morning, morons. If the Met Commissioner says they are not causing enough disruption, then he is applying the law as he sees it, not as it is. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of the situation because if the police don't start policing, an increasingly pissed off public will.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 12, 2022 20:23:24 GMT
I watched them on TV this morning, morons. If the Met Commissioner says they are not causing enough disruption, then he is applying the law as he sees it, not as it is. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of the situation because if the police don't start policing, an increasingly pissed off public will. I couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 12, 2022 21:43:31 GMT
I watched them on TV this morning, morons. If the Met Commissioner says they are not causing enough disruption, then he is applying the law as he sees it, not as it is. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of the situation because if the police don't start policing, an increasingly pissed off public will. If he is saying that he needs sacking. Preventing Fire Engines and Ambulances attending to emergency call-outs is the definition of disruption.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2022 21:53:51 GMT
I watched them on TV this morning, morons. If the Met Commissioner says they are not causing enough disruption, then he is applying the law as he sees it, not as it is. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of the situation because if the police don't start policing, an increasingly pissed off public will. If he is saying that he needs sacking. Preventing Fire Engines and Ambulances attending to emergency call-outs is the definition of disruption.. I agree, anyone with any sense would agree. But it must be said, this is nothing new it's been like it for a few years which is why the great British public have lost faith in the police. The Home Sec and with a sense of urgency has to get a grip of Chief Constables. |
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Post by Morgan on Oct 13, 2022 6:26:56 GMT
We all have the right to Protest Peacefully, which Police actually facilitate a right we should all hold dearly IMO. However, as the new Police Commissioner of the Met explained to the London Assembly today, basically they have to stay within the rules www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/12/just-stop-oil-protests.. Then I suggest it's time the rules were changed. They may have the right to protest but they have no right to prevent or delay the public going about their lawful business. People sometimes wait months for hospital appointments and business meetings and if these protestors cause them more delay and suffering the protestors should be heavily fined and force to pay compensation. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 13, 2022 8:06:37 GMT
The 'Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022' gives senior police officers the powers to remove protestors who are taking part in a march or static assembly if they are causing disorder, damage or disruption to people's lives. Blocking a road is certainly causing disruption to people's lives. Also, wilfully obstructing the public highway is an offence under the Highways Act 1980. So, the police have the law on their side, they have the powers to remove these idiots. Yet they still allow them to block roads for hours and treat them with kid gloves. The Home Secretary needs to get a grip of Chief Constables, by the balls if necessary. I agree and they do, but it is a fine line the Police have to tread as they have to justify arresting people if they don't the CPS will probably not charge them if there is little or no evidence of disorder and disruption, , I am not defending the actions of these people far from it, in the grand scheme of things Obstruction of the Highway is a relatively minor offence in itself The Police are arresting them, especially those that glue themselves to the road Police vans etc because they are wilfully obstruction the Highway as they cannot be moved on or removed quickly and easily, I am not defending the actions of these people far from it, they are a pain in the arse they are wasting Police time and the Courts time if they are charged at the end of the day, and we taxpayers are paying for it If Police went in hard straightway and nicked the lot, the far left and other extremists would be screaming their heads off and taking to the streets claiming the Police and the Government are attacking our right to protest. |
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