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Post by see2 on Dec 8, 2023 17:10:23 GMT
During my squatting days I took a lot of LSD ("Acid"). I could go into detail about the wide variety of hallucinations I experienced ... but the most interesting effect of this drug was where I ended up after I took it every day for a week. I found myself in the "real world". The hallucinations stopped and I clearly saw that human behaviour ... movements, body postures, facial expressions, etc. are either natural to our ape ancestry or "robotic". Well balanced people are able to switch between these two modes in an organised fashion whereas "neurotic" people get them muddled up. "The machine must first realise it is a machine before it can learn to accept responsibility for itself" The machine is not able to recognise itself as a machine or as anything else. Any recognition can only come from unreliable feelings from an unknown source being fed into the logical part of the brain. Because the logical part of the brain does not know what lies behind the feelings it becomes aware of it can and will make mistakes when attempting to apply logic. Yes it can be described as a machine except that it is a machine that is designed to learn remember and reacts emotionally without being able to apply logic to its feelings until such feelings are picked by the thinking logical part of the brain. So it has incoming feelings that are not based upon logic that will influence thoughts and actions via the logical brain.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 8, 2023 21:32:24 GMT
it was. Two, actually. At The first one the chap said he would rather NOT do any sort of sedation as he feared it might interfere with my dodgy ticker. At the second where they went cutting the consultant suggested some very unprofessional adjectives might rightly be applied to his ‘colleague’ I’ve heard that they don’t give you any anaesthetist in France for a colonoscopy. The first couple of times they put me out with Prozac ( not unconscious but not caring ) . The last couple of times they just gave me enough to take the edge off . I spent a pleasant time talking to the nurse and doctors about my internals (and other things )while watching them on a screen. They gave me a pair of paper pants with an escape hatch to keep my modesty too…and I got a photo …really . That’s progress for you . Again a bit of a diversion, the consultant asked if i minded having a woman working with him carry out the op, which she did. They recorded the op and the earlier exploratory which they couldn’t chop bits out as my warfarin INR was too high. Which reminded me of a colleague at my last workplace who had this done and asked for a DVD. And got one. A week later i had a request to get the corporate intranet to show safety videos. I set the page up but had no test video ‘Hey john use this’ said the guy. Wise arse. Just as well i looped the video feed to my pc only.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 8, 2023 21:44:02 GMT
Someone said that man is imagination, that his, our world has been constructed by imagination, that is thinking, visualising, and feeling. What you do with your imagination, or what you do with your consciousness, where you put it, is where your world is constructed. That is where you are today. Bentley, why not construct a new world for yourself, meditation is good, but you can do far far more. What do you want?, money, fame, happiness? When i got my divorce 18 years ago i consciously wished for money, and ive got it, far more is coming. Ask and it will come, if you do it correctly. If dreams are for sale, what would you want? They are. Senior, drugs like lsd strip away our barriers to stuff, and psychosis may be the same. I knew two women who said thay were regularly raped by the devil. Who is to say that wasnt the case. that’s very interesting I presume you know about sleep paralysis and how people jerked from sleep into wakefulness often freak out thinking all sorts. I was not aware of that and was not made aware until my mid forties. It gave a splendid explanation for an experience of terrifying proportions when i was seven. We lived in a bungalow and one nught a lorry came down the mountain road lost control and slammed into our front wall. The noise and light threw me awake from a deep sleep. I was paralysed, could not move, could not cry out, ciukd not scream. This lasted for a time probably less than a minute but now i know where all the alien abduction stuff comes from.
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Post by Vanna on Dec 9, 2023 7:28:07 GMT
What though the radiance
Which was once so bright
Be now for ever taken from my sight,
Though nothing can bring back the hour
Of splendour in the grass,
Of glory in the flower,
We will grieve not, rather find
Strength in what remains behind;
In the primal sympathy
Which having been must ever be;
In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death,
In years that bring the philosophic mind.
William Wordsworth
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 16:54:59 GMT
I do occasionally like to commune with the spirits.
My favourite goes by the name of Jack Daniels.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 12, 2023 17:10:57 GMT
I attended a Xmas event at a local Christian group last weekend . It was an hour long ‘ A Christmas carol’ musical treat based in the novel but introducing the Nativity directly into the narrative . I fidgeted from start to finish. When the play ended we were shepherded into a contemporary’ village ‘ in the car park complete with two Roman soldiers guarding the entrance , log fires, donkeys , sheep and arts and crafts . Very nice too. The best bit was getting out of the muddy field used as a car park. I have to ask myself whether these people were spiritual or was this all done more for themselves . I can’t decide .
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Post by Vanna on Dec 13, 2023 8:11:37 GMT
Not spiritual, but enjoyable because it gives them a sense of community.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2023 9:43:40 GMT
Everything is Spiritual, the temporal is but a moment in terms of eternity. Each one of us has a Spiritual core even if we don't recognise it. Many are frightened to even explore the possibility of an existence that remains outside the plausible explanations of scientists, who so often claim to have found the answers only to discover that they only have a small portion of the potential of our learning.
Turn to any page of the historical writings that we describe as Scriptures and see explanations by revelation, of God and Christ, who was born to master death of the Spirit and lead us all to eternal life. We all have that gift regardless of who or what we are. Then the judgement of our Temporal existence holds sway, when our Maker decides what our Eternal future will be based on our belief in Him and our works that prove it.
Meditate, pray or do whatever it takes to feel the eternal side of this earthly existence. Explain it away any way you wish there is only one truth and it is just too simple for many to risk believing that it might be so. Time may be coming when many will find that they trust only one true unchanging Being - our Father in Heaven. The proof will come when the time is right. For now He waits for us to turn to Him and acknowledge His Begotten Son all the while repenting of our many mistakes while in this human state.
Just read the scriptures. All the answers anyone could ever want are there.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 13, 2023 9:55:42 GMT
Everything is Spiritual, the temporal is but a moment in terms of eternity. Each one of us has a Spiritual core even if we don't recognise it. Many are frightened to even explore the possibility of an existence that remains outside the plausible explanations of scientists, who so often claim to have found the answers only to discover that they only have a small portion of the potential of our learning. Turn to any page of the historical writings that we describe as Scriptures and see explanations by revelation, of God and Christ, who was born to master death of the Spirit and lead us all to eternal life. We all have that gift regardless of who or what we are. Then the judgement of our Temporal existence holds sway, when our Maker decides what our Eternal future will be based on our belief in Him and our works that prove it. Meditate, pray or do whatever it takes to feel the eternal side of this earthly existence. Explain it away any way you wish there is only one truth and it is just too simple for many to risk believing that it might be so. Time may be coming when many will find that they trust only one true unchanging Being - our Father in Heaven. The proof will come when the time is right. For now He waits for us to turn to Him and acknowledge His Begotten Son all the while repenting of our many mistakes while in this human state. Just read the scriptures. All the answers anyone could ever want are there. Or we are just clever monkeys .
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Post by Vanna on Dec 13, 2023 10:01:09 GMT
True. It's what I can't stand about us. Scheming Macaques without fur.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 13, 2023 10:04:08 GMT
Indeed. I’m not saying that we can’t be ‘ spiritual ‘ but we need a spirit to do that .
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Post by see2 on Dec 13, 2023 10:12:23 GMT
Everything is Spiritual, the temporal is but a moment in terms of eternity. Each one of us has a Spiritual core even if we don't recognise it. Many are frightened to even explore the possibility of an existence that remains outside the plausible explanations of scientists, who so often claim to have found the answers only to discover that they only have a small portion of the potential of our learning. Turn to any page of the historical writings that we describe as Scriptures and see explanations by revelation, of God and Christ, who was born to master death of the Spirit and lead us all to eternal life. We all have that gift regardless of who or what we are. Then the judgement of our Temporal existence holds sway, when our Maker decides what our Eternal future will be based on our belief in Him and our works that prove it. Meditate, pray or do whatever it takes to feel the eternal side of this earthly existence. Explain it away any way you wish there is only one truth and it is just too simple for many to risk believing that it might be so. Time may be coming when many will find that they trust only one true unchanging Being - our Father in Heaven. The proof will come when the time is right. For now He waits for us to turn to Him and acknowledge His Begotten Son all the while repenting of our many mistakes while in this human state. Just read the scriptures. All the answers anyone could ever want are there. I like what I know about Christianity and I have no doubt that Jesus (and Mohammad) were good well intended people, but the idea that an all knowing all loving creator exists is just a fantasy created by and written by humans. Having posted the above, knowledge proves that Humans are emotional beings first and logical beings second, and the proof that the emotions and logic areas are separate is plentiful.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 13, 2023 10:19:01 GMT
I’ve heard that they don’t give you any anaesthetist in France for a colonoscopy... Not true.
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Post by piglet on Dec 13, 2023 14:58:20 GMT
You choose your path see 2, its more than that though, its like a hedgehog being told that there is an internet, jet travel, space travel. Its even more than that though, its not understanding the language that its told in, even when you understand the language, the meaning will escape you.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 13, 2023 15:02:09 GMT
You choose your path see 2, its more than that though, its like a hedgehog being told that there is an internet, jet travel, space travel. Its even more than that though, its not understanding the language that its told in, even when you understand the language, the meaning will escape you. Which brings me back to what I have often said . Religious doctrine is based on the belief that what we believe is reality is false . Once you can deny one reality then you can accept another .
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