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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 2:03:35 GMT
Oddly enough I was just watching a video of a bear, otherwise known as Ursa Major. Bit more interesting than your girlie bears, imo. Any relation to the saintly John Major? No, indeed not. Ursa was not a nazi who swore allegiance to an unelected cabal of has-beens in a foreign country. But you already know this.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 6, 2023 2:04:26 GMT
I know that an unelected Farage on the Cabinet would violate your rigid code of honour. I believe in you, Red. You really have a thing about Farage don't you... I know you, Red. You could never accept Farage as a cabinet minister, not if he wasn't elected.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 2:08:51 GMT
You really have a thing about Farage don't you... I know you, Red. You could never accept Farage as a cabinet minister, not if he wasn't elected. Oh bless, your trying so hard. Would you like me to say that I'd like Farage in the cabinet?
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 6, 2023 2:10:23 GMT
I know you, Red. You could never accept Farage as a cabinet minister, not if he wasn't elected. Oh bless, your trying so hard. Would you like me to say that I'd like Farage in the cabinet? No need. We all know it would go against everything you stand for.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 2:14:50 GMT
Oh bless, your trying so hard. Would you like me to say that I'd like Farage in the cabinet? No need. We all know it would go against everything you stand for. And what do I stand for?
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 6, 2023 2:16:59 GMT
No need. We all know it would go against everything you stand for. And what do I stand for? Good deeds and pure thoughts.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 2:24:26 GMT
Good deeds and pure thoughts. Good deeds, possibly. Pure thoughts, rarely. Tell me Einy, where about are you roughly speaking. SE, NW, county even, feel free to ignore.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 6, 2023 9:54:55 GMT
No need. We all know it would go against everything you stand for. And what do I stand for? The national anthem.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 6, 2023 14:33:18 GMT
Given there have been six home secretaries since Brexit (one of them twice in office) it's hard to believe that Nige could make any more of a bollocks of the job than the gaggle of recent incumbents.
He'd be barmy to even consider it of course, the job of home secretary being a poisoned chalice at the best of times and the fastest route to political oblivion in modern times.
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 14:42:39 GMT
No need. We all know it would go against everything you stand for. And what do I stand for? Would it be ungentlemanly to wonder whether at 5 O'clock in the morning, you may not be capable of standing for anything!!
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 14:53:48 GMT
Given there have been six home secretaries since Brexit (one of them twice in office) it's hard to believe that Nige could make any more of a bollocks of the job than the gaggle of recent incumbents. He'd be barmy to even consider it of course, the job of home secretary being a poisoned chalice at the best of times and the fastest route to political oblivion in modern times. Honestly this talk of Farage having a role to play in the Tory party post election does seem to completely ignore his many strengths but also his weaknesses. Lets park whether we like him or not and whether we like his politics and just look at his skills. Farage is an excellent communicator. He can distil complicated messages into relatable messages for people not particularly interested in politics to understand and get behind. Often though the messages he gives are not realistic or factual. For what he is good, they dont need to be - his success has been as a disruptor. He does that job very well. The job of being in a Government - either as Home Secretary or as Party Leader of a major party requires very different skills. They require a people person, building consensus, finding workable compromises and assessing realistic options, developing his team. That really isn't Farage's skill. He falls out with just about anybody - look at the history of UKIP and has a probably pathologicial desire to be the centre of attention at all times. He would be an absolute disaster for the Tory party if he were to be party leader or a senior part of their government (or more likely) shadow ministerial team. Not my problem as I dont support that party or political viewpoint but I do think if you do, you need to be realistic about what Farage is. He is essentially a very effective rabble rouser - no more no less but not and never will be a team player. Not my decision to make however.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 6, 2023 15:03:46 GMT
You still haven't read the book I recommended for you I suspect. Hardly likely that Sunak is going to sack the HS he appointed about three weeks ago, nor that he would fill two of the "great offices of state" with unelected figures, or want a disruptor but not a team player in his team going into the election. Silly story. Mr Gullis is unlikely to be an MP after the next election but comes from the UKIP end of the party. All part of the civil war already raging in the Tory party which will only intensify pre and post election. Its one of the reasons why I suspect they might well go to the polls in early May. Read it! No I havent read it, I havent bought it yet. Calm down Dappy, it's not going out of print is it? Anyone who says Farage is not a team player either doesn't know what a team player is, or is a remainiac. Many political commentators have been predicting a May election largely because the flood of illegals from the EU will increase as the summer progresses and Sunak will not want to fight an election with thousands of EU criminals landing on Kent beaches every week. Ah but many years ago on a previous incarnation of this forum there was a man who did used to work for him. He thought Farage was a total dictator. I can't remember his name, he was some old foggie who had a dog and lived near to me over in the country. I used to get daily reports from him on Farage's past. I think he was telling the truth. Farage the public figure is not Farage the person. Where have we seen this before?
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Post by Vinny on Dec 7, 2023 20:03:37 GMT
Only elected politicians in government thanks, no exceptions at all.
Abolish the Lords.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 7, 2023 20:04:35 GMT
Read it! No I havent read it, I havent bought it yet. Calm down Dappy, it's not going out of print is it? Anyone who says Farage is not a team player either doesn't know what a team player is, or is a remainiac. Many political commentators have been predicting a May election largely because the flood of illegals from the EU will increase as the summer progresses and Sunak will not want to fight an election with thousands of EU criminals landing on Kent beaches every week. Ah but many years ago on a previous incarnation of this forum there was a man who did used to work for him. He thought Farage was a total dictator. I can't remember his name, he was some old foggie who had a dog and lived near to me over in the country. I used to get daily reports from him on Farage's past. I think he was telling the truth. Farage the public figure is not Farage the person. Where have we seen this before? Niall Warry.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 7, 2023 20:58:43 GMT
Only elected politicians in government thanks, no exceptions at all. Abolish the Lords. I'm not so sure about abolishing the Lords. Yes they're unelected, but in most cases they have a lot of political experience and as a revising chamber they also hold the government to account. I'm not suggesting it's perfect but it has served us fairly well since 1801. Until someone comes up with a better system it's what we're stuck with however there is one reform I would approve of. The Lords currently have 784 sitting members which is more than the commons. This number should obviously be cut, perhaps by 50%.
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