|
Post by om15 on Dec 4, 2023 18:45:48 GMT
Really, then why aren't you independent then? if the people want it that is. Either the people don't want it or your statement is rubbish, one or the other.
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2023 22:44:37 GMT
No - Westminster is sovereign, in a unanimous judgment, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Scottish Parliament does not have the power to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence. nope. You are moving goal post. The Scottish people are sovereign , not the Scottish or Westminster parliament. English law can be passed in any English court you like , it has no more bearing in Scotland than English law does in France or any other country. like I said earlier , its not about mythical sovereignty of England parliament over Scots , or which English law is passed . Its about self esteem , and the Scots having the belief in saying to your parliament we are off , and when that happens , the dam bursts and no phoney English parliamentary sovereignty is Gonnae stop us , just as it didn't stop 65 other countries including Ireland , ruled by the English kingdom for 700 years. Of course you could be like Ireland (and Rhodesia) and declare UDI - but that would take a rather large pair which have been conspicuous by their absence for the past 100 years. In the meantime Westminster is sovereign.
|
|
|
Post by Ripley on Dec 5, 2023 0:05:45 GMT
nope. You are moving goal post. The Scottish people are sovereign , not the Scottish or Westminster parliament. English law can be passed in any English court you like , it has no more bearing in Scotland than English law does in France or any other country. like I said earlier , its not about mythical sovereignty of England parliament over Scots , or which English law is passed . Its about self esteem , and the Scots having the belief in saying to your parliament we are off , and when that happens , the dam bursts and no phoney English parliamentary sovereignty is Gonnae stop us , just as it didn't stop 65 other countries including Ireland , ruled by the English kingdom for 700 years. Of course you could be like Ireland (and Rhodesia) and declare UDI - but that would take a rather large pair which have been conspicuous by their absence for the past 100 years. In the meantime Westminster is sovereign. UDI isn't a good plan for Scotland given that Rhodesia's UDI resulted in widespread international isolation after the UK, the Commonwealth and the United Nations all deemed Rhodesia's UDI illegal and imposed economic sanctions for a decade.
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Dec 5, 2023 7:49:07 GMT
Of course you could be like Ireland (and Rhodesia) and declare UDI - but that would take a rather large pair which have been conspicuous by their absence for the past 100 years. In the meantime Westminster is sovereign. UDI isn't a good plan for Scotland given that Rhodesia's UDI resulted in widespread international isolation after the UK, the Commonwealth and the United Nations all deemed Rhodesia's UDI illegal and imposed economic sanctions for a decade. Worked for Ireland..
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:10:11 GMT
nope. You are moving goal post. The Scottish people are sovereign , not the Scottish or Westminster parliament. English law can be passed in any English court you like , it has no more bearing in Scotland than English law does in France or any other country. like I said earlier , its not about mythical sovereignty of England parliament over Scots , or which English law is passed . Its about self esteem , and the Scots having the belief in saying to your parliament we are off , and when that happens , the dam bursts and no phoney English parliamentary sovereignty is Gonnae stop us , just as it didn't stop 65 other countries including Ireland , ruled by the English kingdom for 700 years. Of course you could be like Ireland (and Rhodesia) and declare UDI - but that would take a rather large pair which have been conspicuous by their absence for the past 100 years. In the meantime Westminster is sovereign. you say that as if Ireland and Rhodesia were anomalies. Lets put fact in front of you Pacifico. 65 countries left the British empire and London control. The vast majority were told they couldn't leave , the English monarch , courts and parliament were sovereign and said no , and it still happened. There is the fantasy tory universe of return of empire , world power , pure blood anglo saxons , and then there is reality and real politik . If Scotland and the majority o our people vote in a majority of independence supporting politicians , and we declare the nation has spoken and we are leaving , no one cares what some English tory says about how his parliament Is sovereign . Scotland will end the uk , and the international community will get behind democracy while you are sitting sulking over your warm beer and pimms. Your countries vast amount of enemies will be lining up to congratulate Scotland , Europe will roll out the red carpet , and even your best best buddies in Washington will accept reality and rush in to befriend Scotland . While you dream of sending gun boats up the Clyde , in reality it will be five seconds of sulking before little England comes to terms with reality.
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Dec 5, 2023 8:16:09 GMT
LOL - this is why it will never happen, Indy supporters like Thomas talk a good job but when it comes to action... the Oirish packed their bags and left a 100 years ago - the Scots are still threatening to leave...
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:22:13 GMT
Of course you could be like Ireland (and Rhodesia) and declare UDI - but that would take a rather large pair which have been conspicuous by their absence for the past 100 years. In the meantime Westminster is sovereign. UDI isn't a good plan for Scotland given that Rhodesia's UDI resulted in widespread international isolation after the UK, the Commonwealth and the United Nations all deemed Rhodesia's UDI illegal and imposed economic sanctions for a decade. Irelands situation is and remains vastly different though from Scotland . They had no choice but to declare UDI , as legally they were part of the English kingdom , English law applied , and essentially were controlled by englandshire through right of conquest of the tudors. Scotland is by international treaty a partner in this so called disunited kingdom. We are the only Celtic nation England didn't conquer and maintain though right of conquest , we keep our own law and legal system , as I keep telling our tory friends , English law doesn't apply in Scotland . English politicians repeatedly have said to us there is no treaty in the world were a partnership has been drawn up and one of the partners doesn't have the right to withdraw . They recognise scotlands claim of right , indeed their House of Commons has repeatedly endorsed it. The uk is a mess. English nationalism on the rise , the blue rinse determined to maintain Brexit , cost of living biting , report after report on a daily basis on how poor the uk is becoming compared to our near neighbours , where the latest report tells us workers are now nearly £11 k worse off under this mob that is currently in power in the anglo parliament . you are watching the end days of an almost dead empire finishing where it began all those years ago . We have prominent tories about to jump ship back onto the remain bandwagon , the current tory chancellor has made plain his disgust at Brexit , and so on and so forth. the world is looking on watching in sympathy at Scotland being currently shackeled to some of the heidcases you see post on these forums and their alternate reality. biden and Brussels took Northern Ireland tacitly off Westminster , and you didnt hear so much as a peep from the armchair redcoats.
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:26:17 GMT
LOL - this is why it will never happen, Indy supporters like Thomas talk a good job but when it comes to action... the Oirish packed their bags and left a 100 years ago - the Scots are still threatening to leave... When is the return of empire happening...... talking of talking the talk but not walking the walk.? its now been 7 half years since the Brexit vote , how much more time do you need? I tell you you anglos talk a good game. when push comes to shove though , its nothing more than anglo saxon whinging from armchair alf garnets. Even head tories are about to turn coat over Brexit and secretly wish to sell little England back into Europe as you are struggling badly to survive on your own. The Brexit fantasy is up there with how England won the Second World War. They say Shakespeare was histories biggest bullshitter , but I tell you some on this forum could give him a run for his money.
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Dec 5, 2023 8:29:57 GMT
LOL - tommo still flapping his gums rather than actually doing something. There is no point telling us what you are going to do - you dont need our permission to declare UDI - you just grow a pair and do it..
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:38:13 GMT
LOL - tommo still flapping his gums rather than actually doing something. There is no point telling us what you are going to do - you dont need our permission to declare UDI - you just grow a pair and do it.. I'm doing something every election alf , and that's chipping away at what's left of the empire. Eventually , the last piece of string the holds it barely together is going to snap and the union no more. What you doing about return of empire? your government can't even control your borders never mind invade , Rishi is like a frightened rabbit caught in headlights , dan dare is on the other thread moaning that 1 in fifty Englishmen are black , and the Chelsea pensioners are dreading the imminent coronation of keir starmer and in denial about the end of Brexit. How we laughed. The country that voted to leave the European Union then came crawling back to do penitence 8 years later with cap in hand. You will never live this down alf.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 8:40:11 GMT
All you seem to do is sit on your backside trolling forums.
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:41:25 GMT
All you seem to do is sit on your backside trolling forums. I haven't posted on this forum for weeks till yesterday . Stop talking hysterical nonsense.
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Dec 5, 2023 8:44:22 GMT
the mighty yookay....... Average UK households are £8,300 poorer than their counterparts in countries like France, Germany and the Netherlands, according to a new report by the Resolution Foundation and LSE.
The UK’s productivity rate is half of that seen in other advanced economies and wages have subsequently flatlined, meaning that workers are losing an average of £10,700 a year.
The report, published on Monday, also estimates that nine million younger employees have never worked in an economy with sustained average wage rises.
“Brexit, Covid-19 and the cost-of-living crisis have tested an economy already under strain,” said Alex Beer, head of portfolio development at the Nuffield Foundation.
www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/04/uk-workers-are-losing-thousands-of-pounds-due-to-growth-stagnation
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 8:53:04 GMT
Thanks for the newsfeed, which a simple bot from the 1990s could do. Why have you moved discussion away from your repetitive empty threats and victimhood?
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2023 1:16:33 GMT
The Northern Ireland assembly was suspended.
Suspend Holyrood.
Abolish devolution.
|
|