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Post by borchester on Nov 30, 2023 15:22:14 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Nov 30, 2023 15:58:35 GMT
St Andrews day isn’t it?
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Post by borchester on Nov 30, 2023 16:49:39 GMT
But not necessarily Salmond's  |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 30, 2023 17:19:07 GMT
But not necessarily Salmond's Too true  |
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Post by om15 on Nov 30, 2023 18:32:46 GMT
All rather half hearted attempts by some who have failed in their political careers to date trying to create jobs for themselves. The passing fad of Scottish Separatism has been and gone, the SNP have been shown to be venal, corrupt and incompetent beyond measure, their highly unpleasant leaders are under police investigation for fraud, theft and perjury, the health, education, welfare and transportation systems have collapsed and lag behind Bolivia in effectiveness.
And yet Salmond is chortling away for yet another referendum that he will lose. It is noticeable that those on this forum who were vigorous in their demands for a separate small country have now fallen silent.
Their only hope is to vote Tory at the next election, it is saying something that the SNP make even the Tories electable.
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Post by morayloon on Dec 3, 2023 17:38:22 GMT
All rather half hearted attempts by some who have failed in their political careers to date trying to create jobs for themselves. The passing fad of Scottish Separatism has been and gone, the SNP have been shown to be venal, corrupt and incompetent beyond measure, their highly unpleasant leaders are under police investigation for fraud, theft and perjury, the health, education, welfare and transportation systems have collapsed and lag behind Bolivia in effectiveness. And yet Salmond is chortling away for yet another referendum that he will lose. It is noticeable that those on this forum who were vigorous in their demands for a separate small country have now fallen silent. Their only hope is to vote Tory at the next election, it is saying something that the SNP make even the Tories electable. You'll have to do better than that. You are still getting your info from that sensationalist, anti Independence/Snp, Brit Nat paper. the Daily Mail. I have suggested reading more widely, and I include the National in the list, to get a better understanding of Scotland's political scene. Check out your own country before having the temerity to comment on what you think is happening up here. Two opinion polls were published last week. Ipsos suggested that support for Independence stood at 54% while Redfield & Wilton had it at 48% (up2%). So much for your "passing fad". As for SNP support, Ipsos had that at 40%, a 10% lead over Labour, while R&W had the Red Tories ahead by 2 points. The true story is probably somewhere in between. I am an Alba member but will be voting SNP next year. I believe by far the vast majority of Albaites will do the same. However, at their conference it was announced that the party is to stand in 12 constituencies. That is not good news for the SNP Tory support is on the wane. The vast majority of Independence supporters would not vote for what is basically an English party. Why would Independence supporters back a party that actively denies the right of Scots to even vote on the matter. No, it is all in your mind. Wishful thinking at best, total ignorance the worst case scenario. |
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Post by om15 on Dec 3, 2023 20:39:31 GMT
We'll see.
You are no nearer independence now than you were in 2014. You have the SNP to thank for that.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2023 7:30:23 GMT
"Mr Salmond explained the public would be asked in a referendum if they agreed Holyrood's power should be extended "to include the negotiation of and legislation for Scottish independence"."
It's not up to a referendum of scottish voters to decide what competencies the devolved Scottish Parliament has - Westminster reserves that right.
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Post by thomas on Dec 4, 2023 12:31:22 GMT
"Mr Salmond explained the public would be asked in a referendum if they agreed Holyrood's power should be extended "to include the negotiation of and legislation for Scottish independence"."
It's not up to a referendum of scottish voters to decide what competencies the devolved Scottish Parliament has - Westminster reserves that right.
I have difficulty in seeing why it should have been supposed that the new Parliament of Great Britain must inherit all the peculiar characteristics of the English Parliament but none of the Scottish Parliament, as if all that happened in 1707 was that Scottish representatives were admitted to the Parliament of England.
I have not found in the Union legislation any provision that the Parliament of Great Britain should be "absolutely sovereign"
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Post by thomas on Dec 4, 2023 12:35:13 GMT
We'll see. You are no nearer independence now than you were in 2014. You have the SNP to thank for that. you are right to a degree ommy , but you need to take on board what moray is saying. Conversely , your country in the last century has lost 65 nations and an empire , including our neighbours in Ireland , Northern Ireland has been taken off you by Brussels and Washington , and starmer looks set to win the next election and end Brexit. you must be really worried ommy. You will have your European citizenship back before you can say reform yookay . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 12:45:06 GMT
"Mr Salmond explained the public would be asked in a referendum if they agreed Holyrood's power should be extended "to include the negotiation of and legislation for Scottish independence"."
It's not up to a referendum of scottish voters to decide what competencies the devolved Scottish Parliament has - Westminster reserves that right.
I have difficulty in seeing why it should have been supposed that the new Parliament of Great Britain must inherit all the peculiar characteristics of the English Parliament but none of the Scottish Parliament, as if all that happened in 1707 was that Scottish representatives were admitted to the Parliament of England.
I have not found in the Union legislation any provision that the Parliament of Great Britain should be "absolutely sovereign"
The Scottish people are sovereign not your parliament . It's our shared sovereign parliament. Wishing it away doesn't work, and only comes across as a little childish. The Scottish people chose it, just as Scotland chose the union. If permitted by sovereign they will be asked again someday. The Scottish Parliament is just the executive over devolved matters, and isn't even a real parliament. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 4, 2023 14:43:01 GMT
The principle of the unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle which has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional law.
I have difficulty in seeing why it should have been supposed that the new Parliament of Great Britain must inherit all the peculiar characteristics of the English Parliament but none of the Scottish Parliament, as if all that happened in 1707 was that Scottish representatives were admitted to the Parliament of England.
I have not found in the Union legislation any provision that the Parliament of Great Britain should be "absolutely sovereign"
The Scottish people are sovereign not your parliament . It's our shared sovereign parliament. Wishing it away doesn't work, and only comes across as a little childish. The Scottish people chose it, just as Scotland chose the union. If permitted by sovereign they will be asked again someday. The Scottish Parliament is just the executive over devolved matters, and isn't even a real parliament. it is a shared parliament. That's the very point lord Cooper was making in the quote from the famous legal judgement in the 1950's. His very point is because Westminster has been a shared parliament since 1707 , you can't just force English constitutional law on Scotland and its infamous parliamentary sovereignty as though all that happened in 1707 was Scottish members were admitted to an English legislature. Do learn to read what is written , and not what you think has been written. In scotland , the Scottish people are sovereign , in England , it's your parliament which has its power loaned to it from your English king. You can huff and puff all you like , and put up all the mythical barriers to independence you like , but it won't change a thing. Scotland will become independent when the people want it , not because your parliament says it can. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 15:55:34 GMT
The Supreme Court ruled against your fantasy. You're merely repeating a false statement, which is nothing more than propaganda for poodles.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 4, 2023 18:18:06 GMT
"Mr Salmond explained the public would be asked in a referendum if they agreed Holyrood's power should be extended "to include the negotiation of and legislation for Scottish independence"."
It's not up to a referendum of scottish voters to decide what competencies the devolved Scottish Parliament has - Westminster reserves that right.
I have difficulty in seeing why it should have been supposed that the new Parliament of Great Britain must inherit all the peculiar characteristics of the English Parliament but none of the Scottish Parliament, as if all that happened in 1707 was that Scottish representatives were admitted to the Parliament of England.
I have not found in the Union legislation any provision that the Parliament of Great Britain should be "absolutely sovereign"
The Scottish people are sovereign not your parliament . No - Westminster is sovereign, in a unanimous judgment, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Scottish Parliament does not have the power to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 4, 2023 18:44:03 GMT
The principle of the unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle which has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional law.
I have difficulty in seeing why it should have been supposed that the new Parliament of Great Britain must inherit all the peculiar characteristics of the English Parliament but none of the Scottish Parliament, as if all that happened in 1707 was that Scottish representatives were admitted to the Parliament of England.
I have not found in the Union legislation any provision that the Parliament of Great Britain should be "absolutely sovereign"
The Scottish people are sovereign not your parliament . No - Westminster is sovereign, in a unanimous judgment, the Supreme Court has ruled that the Scottish Parliament does not have the power to legislate for a referendum on Scottish independence. nope. You are moving goal post. The Scottish people are sovereign , not the Scottish or Westminster parliament. English law can be passed in any English court you like , it has no more bearing in Scotland than English law does in France or any other country. like I said earlier , its not about mythical sovereignty of England parliament over Scots , or which English law is passed . Its about self esteem , and the Scots having the belief in saying to your parliament we are off , and when that happens , the dam bursts and no phoney English parliamentary sovereignty is Gonnae stop us , just as it didn't stop 65 other countries including Ireland , ruled by the English kingdom for 700 years. |
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