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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 14:02:59 GMT
It's such an obvious error that it must have been done on purpose. I hope you enjoy stats.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 28, 2023 20:38:13 GMT
"Approximately 1.5 litres of fluid is retained in the body when we eat too much salt and this continues as long as a higher salt intake is consumed".
This extra fluid, which can raise the blood pressure, can be eliminated by consuming more fluid ... which flushes out the extra salt and allows the retained fluid to be released.
Some people can apparently cope with a high salt intake without significant health issues because the extra fluid they drink prevents water retention.
The effect of salt in the diet also depends on whether it is consumed in a single meal or throughout the day.
A low salt diet can result in a low fluid intake leading to dehydration ... which can raise the blood pressure. In these cases increasing the salt intake can lower the blood pressure by stimulating thirst.
In America it is officially recommended that males consume 3.7 litres of fluid a day.
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Post by ginnyg on Nov 29, 2023 8:17:56 GMT
"In America it is officially recommended that males consume 3.7 litres of fluid a day." Coca-cola? Or maybe Budweiser.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 29, 2023 13:56:08 GMT
"Approximately 1.5 litres of fluid is retained in the body when we eat too much salt and this continues as long as a higher salt intake is consumed". This extra fluid, which can raise the blood pressure, can be eliminated by consuming more fluid ... which flushes out the extra salt and allows the retained fluid to be released. Some people can apparently cope with a high salt intake without significant health issues because the extra fluid they drink prevents water retention. The effect of salt in the diet also depends on whether it is consumed in a single meal or throughout the day. A low salt diet can result in a low fluid intake leading to dehydration ... which can raise the blood pressure. In these cases increasing the salt intake can lower the blood pressure by stimulating thirst. In America it is officially recommended that males consume 3.7 litres of fluid a day. Control system theory is a highly mathematical art. Take three output measurements: position, integral and differential (PID) and feed them back in certain proportions to the control in an unstable mechanism and it ends up stable.
This is done in your body by neurons. The control parameter is the regulation of the level of salt. As you jerk it around it compensates.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 29, 2023 18:21:55 GMT
"The body removes excess water by filtering the blood through the kidneys. This requires a balance of sodium and potassium in the body to pull the water across the wall from the bloodstream into a collecting channel in the kidney. A high salt diet will alter this sodium balance, causing the kidneys to have reduced function and remove less water resulting in higher blood pressure. This puts strain on the kidneys and can lead to kidney disease".
The fact that 40% of people over 60 in Britain have reduced kidney function may be due to an excessive salt intake.
One of the reasons for the spread of the Homo species throughout the globe is that our kidneys conserve sodium allowing us to travel long distances on a low salt diet. Our actual salt needs are less than 1g a day. With such a diet our urine is not "salty". If it is then we are consuming too much salt. Maybe people should be encouraged to taste their urine on a regular basis to check whether they are consuming to much salt?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 29, 2023 18:51:55 GMT
"The body removes excess water by filtering the blood through the kidneys. This requires a balance of sodium and potassium in the body to pull the water across the wall from the bloodstream into a collecting channel in the kidney. A high salt diet will alter this sodium balance, causing the kidneys to have reduced function and remove less water resulting in higher blood pressure. This puts strain on the kidneys and can lead to kidney disease". The fact that 40% of people over 60 in Britain have reduced kidney function may be due to an excessive salt intake. One of the reasons for the spread of the Homo species throughout the globe is that our kidneys conserve sodium allowing us to travel long distances on a low salt diet. Our actual salt needs are less than 1g a day. With such a diet our urine is not "salty". If it is then we are consuming too much salt. Maybe people should be encouraged to taste their urine on a regular basis to check whether they are consuming to much salt? I don't think you are being too scientific there. If you want to test the level of salt in a liquid you can take advantage of the fact salt conducts electricity. For as little as a fiver you can get a pen-sized digital CF meter. You may also find the kidney is damaged by too much alcohol.
I don't know if salt works in a similar way, but with fat what happens is if you eat too much there is a psychological mechanism which will tell your brain to stop eating as much which kicks in as your weight increases from the target level. The tongue is very sensitive to salt, where too much tastes awful as does too little. There is a good reason your tongue is sensitive to salt, probably something to do with your post, but also bear in mind you sweat salt as well.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 30, 2023 21:42:43 GMT
Processed food contains a lot, best try to eat one meal that is not processed and not to add salt.
Arthritis can be caused by eating too much salt too.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 3, 2023 14:31:33 GMT
Processed food contains a lot, best try to eat one meal that is not processed and not to add salt. Arthritis can be caused by eating too much salt too. There is no proof as far as I can see that salt causes it. Salt does seem to aggravate an existing condition.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 4, 2023 12:22:45 GMT
Processed food contains a lot, best try to eat one meal that is not processed and not to add salt. Arthritis can be caused by eating too much salt too. There is no proof as far as I can see that salt causes it. Salt does seem to aggravate an existing condition.
The NHS has been taken over by Big Pharma to a large degree. I think salt becomes more of a problem as people get older yet as we have different blood types, eat differently and have different lifestyle health impacts like injuries and the like so we all react differently. I had a fight once trying to protect a friend and then tangled with three people violently before the police turned up though by then the whole street was fighting and I was walking wounded one of the others was unconscious. My inside tissue around rib cage and pelvic area had been damaged yet the GPs were not much help and I went on to get angina and joint aches. When I lived abroad an in-law relative (she was a marathon runner)was into alternative health and I tried it and started getting answers and some results. Gingko Biloba essence in alcohol stopped the angina (after 2.5 years of reading) if I took it first thing in the morning. It was the dilation effect on certain blood vessels it was acting on. Eventually I found an osteopath that used metal poles with neoprene to move stuff. That did it. On the salt front once it becomes an issue it can impact a number of things, electrolyte balance in the heart, at a cellular level potential carcinogen as it displaces other essential nutrients. Not sure about the joint aches though one meal daily without salt worked for me.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 4, 2023 13:08:31 GMT
There is no proof as far as I can see that salt causes it. Salt does seem to aggravate an existing condition.
The NHS has been taken over by Big Pharma to a large degree. I think salt becomes more of a problem as people get older yet as we have different blood types, eat differently and have different lifestyle health impacts like injuries and the like so we all react differently. I had a fight once trying to protect a friend and then tangled with three people violently before the police turned up though by then the whole street was fighting and I was walking wounded one of the others was unconscious. My inside tissue around rib cage and pelvic area had been damaged yet the GPs were not much help and I went on to get angina and joint aches. When I lived abroad an in-law relative (she was a marathon runner)was into alternative health and I tried it and started getting answers and some results. Gingko Biloba essence in alcohol stopped the angina (after 2.5 years of reading) if I took it first thing in the morning. It was the dilation effect on certain blood vessels it was acting on. Eventually I found an osteopath that used metal poles with neoprene to move stuff. That did it. On the salt front once it becomes an issue it can impact a number of things, electrolyte balance in the heart, at a cellular level potential carcinogen as it displaces other essential nutrients. Not sure about the joint aches though one meal daily without salt worked for me. Why not just eat what you most feel like eating? Try an experiment if you like. Cut a component of your diet out for a few days, like say normally you say eat fruit or you eat vegetables, then starve your body of the thing you need and you will find very quickly you will get a craving for it, and when you eat what you are short of then you will find it far tastier. Hopefully that will prove this mechanism exists if I can't convince you any other way. It's a natural feedback system and for things which the body needs a precise amount, the effect is so much more pronounced. If this does not work and you insist on ignoring your body then a last resort is it will throw up.
So bearing this in mind, you then have to think what is going wrong. The answer is so simple and hardly rocket science. People eat together and eat the same meal. What one person needs at that time might be quite different from the other person you serve to. Similarly if you go to a friend and they serve you a meal you can't really dictate to someone who offers something what they should offer you, and when you are in a restaurant or a work's canteen, it is often the case you are restricted. Now we can talk about how much you eat as well. When it is prepared for you, you often can't say, so again you have a mismatch, and thirdly you often don't get to decide when you eat either. The best way to stay healthy is therefore to be a total anarchist, do what you want, when you like, regarding food. I will add one more condition here, and that is that commercial food has various chemicals in it which are not required by the body and only serve to fool you into thinking you are eating something you are not. This fooling of the brain is messing this self regulation up. Now of course not all additives are fooling the body even though they improve taste, like the body understands natural chemicals like sugar and salt. I often look at the ingredients and for example last night two of the additives were citric acid (comes from lemons so totally natural) and carotene, a vegetable extract from any plant that is not green, e.g. carrots, and extremely common in nature. The body understands these chemicals and can regulate them too. The ones which are more critical for balance are indeed sugar and salt, but our bodies already pay particular attention to these. It's all automatic!
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Post by bancroft on Dec 4, 2023 13:47:46 GMT
BVL, I have helped people over a decade ago various complaints when the Medical authorities were not helping.
Knees, back problems, angina, thyroid, digestive, infertility.
I used to eat what I like and felt rough so I looked for answers.
Re sugar and salt the body adapts to process them, adaption comes at a cost, in economics we would call that an opportunity cost.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 4, 2023 14:16:09 GMT
BVL, I have helped people over a decade ago various complaints when the Medical authorities were not helping. Knees, back problems, angina, thyroid, digestive, infertility. I used to eat what I like and felt rough so I looked for answers. Re sugar and salt the body adapts to process them, adaption comes at a cost, in economics we would call that an opportunity cost. When you ate what you wanted, what did your main food consist of?
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Post by bancroft on Dec 4, 2023 18:52:55 GMT
Breakkfast Cereal with coffee or tea followed by two pieces of marmite on toast.
Lunch Meat or tuna sandwich, yoghurt and an apple
Snack Pack of crisps
Evening Meat based dish with spuds, pasta or rice and normally with a sauce with broccoli and spinach or peas and carrots.
If still hungry before bed (exercise) a cheese sandwich.
Maybe one glass of water and 9 or 10 coffees or teas.
As a child I was never breast-fed and only got two veg with meat as a kid, peas, carrots and potatoes.
As a baby, Farleys rusks, processed honey and carnation milk (nurses recommendation).
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Post by bancroft on Dec 4, 2023 19:09:53 GMT
Another thing my father had a heart attack during cov-id I think even before the vaccines.
He put salt on every meal, even processed ones and including on porridge.
They said his heart attack was due to an electrolyte imbalance and to change his diet.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 4, 2023 19:23:37 GMT
Breakkfast Cereal with coffee or tea followed by two pieces of marmite on toast. Lunch Meat or tuna sandwich, yoghurt and an apple Snack Pack of crisps Evening Meat based dish with spuds, pasta or rice and normally with a sauce with broccoli and spinach or peas and carrots. If still hungry before bed (exercise) a cheese sandwich. Maybe one glass of water and 9 or 10 coffees or teas. As a child I was never breast-fed and only got two veg with meat as a kid, peas, carrots and potatoes. As a baby, Farleys rusks, processed honey and carnation milk (nurses recommendation). Hmm, seems OK to me, except too much coffee might make you feel a bit rough, and I think tuna has some potential health problem if you eat too much of it. Other than that as long as they do not come with some dodgy additives then it should be OK. Your health though might have something to do with genetics. It's not really my expertise.
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