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Post by oracle75 on Nov 26, 2023 9:58:29 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 26, 2023 17:31:29 GMT
What?
No applause?
After all that cheering about joining the
CPTPP and expanding Brand Britain across the globe, I would have thought you would have been delighted!
You can add it to your wondrous deal with Australia, before the cattle and sheep farmers in the UK go out of business.
You can make your own trade deals but frankly it is like putting a 6 year old behind the wheel of an F1 and competing in the Monaco GP.
Increasing your trade by 0.04% "over time" by a trade deal with 11 countries??
I can only guess it was Liz Truss' finest hour.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 26, 2023 21:14:20 GMT
What? No applause? After all that cheering about joining the CPTPP and expanding Brand Britain across the globe, I would have thought you would have been delighted! You can add it to your wondrous deal with Australia, before the cattle and sheep farmers in the UK go out of business. You can make your own trade deals but frankly it is like putting a 6 year old behind the wheel of an F1 and competing in the Monaco GP. Increasing your trade by 0.04% "over time" by a trade deal with 11 countries?? I can only guess it was Liz Truss' finest hour. Some important nations are in the CPTPP, like Japan. Vietnam is an up and coming economy. Malaysia and Singapore are quite significant for manufacturing and technology.
We already have good relations with the Aussies and New Zealand. The joker in the pack is China is very keen to join, but the CPTTP was set up to counter the economic power of China by the US leading a pack of countries to take em on, except the US pulled out of it and hates the idea of China joining.
It might be small fry now, but it is a chance to get to know folk out that way. The UK is it's own business now so must drum up trade from all corners of the earth. I'm sick of these whingy bastards and their pay demands in the public sector who think money grows on trees. No it does not. We have to go fishing for business in the market. Technology is the thing that makes money. They over in the Far East are where the action is. South Korea is another country we must entertain as well.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 26, 2023 21:28:55 GMT
All these projections are just made up bollocks, with people choosing the "model" that best suits their narrative. The government can only sign the deals, it is then up to business to choose whether to exploit them or not.
Nobody is rejoining the EU any time soon, especially with the state of the German economy. Let's see how well the EU works when Germany is holding the hand out, instead of propping up the rest.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 27, 2023 9:48:40 GMT
Deals with most of those countries were already in place.
The others are covered by WTO rules.
The whole publicity hoohaw was a political rabble rouser.
Just like the rest of the Brexit prpomises, dangling some irresistable future that in reality, doesnt exist.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 27, 2023 9:59:37 GMT
All these projections are just made up bollocks, with people choosing the "model" that best suits their narrative. The government can only sign the deals, it is then up to business to choose whether to exploit them or not. Nobody is rejoining the EU any time soon, especially with the state of the German economy. Let's see how well the EU works when Germany is holding the hand out, instead of propping up the rest. Kim just wants to sulk because the UK has more FTAs than the EU and has a growing economy, rather than the economic death spiral she'd hoped we'd go into, with us crawling back on our knees and begging to rejoin.
Bless.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 27, 2023 12:12:39 GMT
Deals with most of those countries were already in place. The others are covered by WTO rules. The whole publicity hoohaw was a political rabble rouser. Just like the rest of the Brexit prpomises, dangling some irresistable future that in reality, doesnt exist. You just don't like the government or the papers. This is just how we do business. it may not affect you, but it you were say running an industrial firm you would find this helpful. The general plot is to expand trade in the Far East. If the government were not doing this I would be lobbying them to do so, so I'm happy they are going along the right track in this instance. Good trade should avoid all this warmongering shit as well. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 27, 2023 18:42:52 GMT
Deals with most of those countries were already in place. The others are covered by WTO rules. The whole publicity hoohaw was a political rabble rouser. Just like the rest of the Brexit prpomises, dangling some irresistable future that in reality, doesnt exist. You just don't like the government or the papers. This is just how we do business. it may not affect you, but it you were say running an industrial firm you would find this helpful. The general plot is to expand trade in the Far East. If the government were not doing this I would be lobbying them to do so, so I'm happy they are going along the right track in this instance. Good trade should avoid all this warmongering shit as well. I already said that the UK already had trade deals with all but the smallest countries! The whole issue was a poor attempt to prove the validity of Brexit Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 27, 2023 19:41:07 GMT
You just don't like the government or the papers. This is just how we do business. it may not affect you, but it you were say running an industrial firm you would find this helpful. The general plot is to expand trade in the Far East. If the government were not doing this I would be lobbying them to do so, so I'm happy they are going along the right track in this instance. Good trade should avoid all this warmongering shit as well. I already said that the UK already had trade deals with all but the smallest countries! The whole issue was a poor attempt to prove the validity of Brexit Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The alternative paradigm is the little Britain politic. This was the politics of the BNP and certainly Nigel Farage as well, which is built on pride, saying we don't need Europe and we don't need China and so on, except they will always blindly back the US, not seeing the hypocrisy of the position. The fact is though some of the world's highest growth rates have been seen in the Far East. As they accrue more wealth they will want stuff like 5G communication, so our firms like British Telecom need to be out there bidding on contracts. If a country is growing at 10% annually, it is going to be able to afford 10% more of everything each year, so it opens up supply contact opportunities. Realistically you do need politicians to grease the wheels as it ultimately rests on trust and we have to build that up piecemeal. You don't have to tell me about the low calibre of British politicians, but swapping Cleverly for Cameron was a good move. It was well received over that way and given them hope we can get into some peaceful and prosperous trade. The doors are open. We just need the right crew to do the business. My advice is approach with respect and understanding of their culture and don't bullshit them, be honest and reasonable and you will come home with some great trade. |
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 30, 2023 8:22:33 GMT
Growth is only possible when international investment both ways happens.
Growth will never come from internal suppply and demand.or from yinkering with the benefits system or how much NI is paid.
Nissan's investment last week is one positive sign but it takes far more in additional inward investment and UK investment abroad, cloaked in trade deals.
You can have all the deals you want but the practicality lies in the ACTUALITY of one business trading with another. If a UK company can do business at half the distance than another, they will to cut overheads and costs.
What is important is data protection and agreements about communications and technology but they add very little to growth and protection of the national standards of living.
The UK should be out there selling the country as a good place to invest in. Unfortunately the general perception is poor.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 2, 2023 10:49:56 GMT
Free trade with the EU, free trade with the CPTPP, improved FTA with Canada in the works to replace the rolled over FTA. A lot is happening which couldn't have been done when trapped in unhelpful customs union with the EU.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 2, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
Remember the invisibles on trade, I expect those exports will increase.
Also inward tourism brings foreign currency as does inward investment from overseas companies like Nissan or whoever building battery technology.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 2, 2023 18:14:49 GMT
Growth is only possible when international investment both ways happens. Growth will never come from internal suppply and demand.or from yinkering with the benefits system or how much NI is paid. Nissan's investment last week is one positive sign but it takes far more in additional inward investment and UK investment abroad, cloaked in trade deals. You can have all the deals you want but the practicality lies in the ACTUALITY of one business trading with another. If a UK company can do business at half the distance than another, they will to cut overheads and costs. What is important is data protection and agreements about communications and technology but they add very little to growth and protection of the national standards of living. The UK should be out there selling the country as a good place to invest in. Unfortunately the general perception is poor. This is what Charles Liu, (senior fellow at Taihe Institute) has to say about that. He's talking about Britain's invitation to Chinese car manufacturers to set up in Britain and hopefully bring their expertise to this country so our people might learn something. I appreciate his disinterested academic view, which is refreshing from many here who seems to have a view very much clouded by politics. This view is to do with business logic.
The link is the Global Times, which is like China's BBC. You can be pretty certain what he says is compatible with the government's view.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 2, 2023 18:54:59 GMT
Remember the invisibles on trade, I expect those exports will increase. Also inward tourism brings foreign currency as does inward investment from overseas companies like Nissan or whoever building battery technology. There is a funny story about that. Over in Wiltshire there is a village which is 100% genuine English country architecture of centuries past where one house has an immaculate formal English country garden with sculptures and what have you, but the Japanese who visit think it is a tourist attraction. They can't understand that such a grand house and garden is simply one's private family home, so the owners have had to put a sign on the gate in Japanese to let them know. I guess we English have something which is in short supply across the world, bearing in mind many live in flats 20 stories up. Anyway, it is good in a way. They come here with their cameras, but in an appreciative way. |
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