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Post by Dogburger on Nov 23, 2023 6:25:32 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 23, 2023 6:48:22 GMT
We got out just at the right time. What were once proud, sovereign states are mere vassals now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 10:37:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 10:58:57 GMT
Brilliant idea - this is democracy, TRUE democracy
Imagine, if in the House of Commons the handfull of Lib Dem MPs could veto a governing party Bill, or if an individual MP could veto any legislation.
The bad apple is Hungary, who seem to want to stop military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine, and to stop Ukraine's membership of the EU. A simple majority vote would remove Hungary's ability to hold up or stop what the majority voted for.
If the people of Hungary want to be hostile to Ukraine, then let them leave the EU and return back to been a colony of Russia, see how they like it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 11:20:55 GMT
It's being, not been, Sid.
I'm not sure it's true democracy, but it is what the EU stands for, so they can't complain. And I agree, Hungary should leave as they are not compatible with the lefty EU groupthink.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 11:24:26 GMT
The EU should hold a mandatory pan EU referendum to see if the voters want this.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 23, 2023 17:33:40 GMT
Europhiles …..
it’s not moving towards a federal state . That’s just lies from Brexiters
it’s not moving towards a federal state …how many more times ?
Hooray for a federal state ! It’s real democracy!
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 17:44:26 GMT
Isn't this the most important sentence in the whole article: 'The resolution in reality changes little. It gives an insight into the consensus of the parliament but treaty change ultimately remains a matter upon which unanimity among member state governments is required.' Sounds like a bit of a storm in a teacup. Strange your article didn't lead with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 18:05:44 GMT
FRom its earliest beginings back in 1950 it was always made abundently, crystal clear that the idea of a new Europe-wide organisation was to be all about "ever closer political ties", and even Sir Winston Churchill spoke about a United States of Europe.
What the visionaries of post war Europe saw, was something similar to the United States, but with each state having ultimate sovereignty, in other words, the choice to leave the union if they so desired. Shared, or pooled sovereignty, a federation.
With half of Americans now not caring too hoots about the security of Europe, or having any interest in NATO, Europe is not only the best option, but it may very well be our only option for the future.
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 23, 2023 18:20:49 GMT
Isn't this the most important sentence in the whole article: 'The resolution in reality changes little. It gives an insight into the consensus of the parliament but treaty change ultimately remains a matter upon which unanimity among member state governments is required.' Sounds like a bit of a storm in a teacup. Strange your article didn't lead with that. Thats what they have been saying since the start of the project , ''Its a trade only agreement'' , ''there will be no loss of sovereignty '' , "its just a tidying up exercise'' , "Lisbon is nothing like the constitution'' or even "If you think there will be an EU army you are a fantasist Nigel" You will have to excuse me for not believing "the resolution in reality changes little " |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 18:48:01 GMT
Isn't this the most important sentence in the whole article: 'The resolution in reality changes little. It gives an insight into the consensus of the parliament but treaty change ultimately remains a matter upon which unanimity among member state governments is required.' Sounds like a bit of a storm in a teacup. Strange your article didn't lead with that. Thats what they have been saying since the start of the project , ''Its a trade only agreement'' , ''there will be no loss of sovereignty '' , "its just a tidying up exercise'' , "Lisbon is nothing like the constitution'' or even "If you think there will be an EU army you are a fantasist Nigel" You will have to excuse me for not believing "the resolution in reality changes little " It's subject to a veto by any member state (unanimity is required). Is your source in any way connected to the Daily Mail or GB News? They get around to telling the truth eventually, but it's way down at the bottom of the article. I'm assuming you didn't see it yourself. Or else you wouldn't have started a thread about nothing. Because it's literally nothing given that unanimity is required. |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 23, 2023 18:50:23 GMT
Thats what they have been saying since the start of the project , ''Its a trade only agreement'' , ''there will be no loss of sovereignty '' , "its just a tidying up exercise'' , "Lisbon is nothing like the constitution'' or even "If you think there will be an EU army you are a fantasist Nigel" You will have to excuse me for not believing "the resolution in reality changes little " It's subject to a veto by any member state (unanimity is required). Is your source in any way connected to the Daily Mail or GB News? They get around to telling the truth eventually, but it's way down at the bottom of the article. I'm assuming you didn't see it yourself. Or else you wouldn't have started a thread about nothing. Because it's literally nothing given that unanimity is required. Oh I saw it alright , it made the story |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 18:51:27 GMT
It's subject to a veto by any member state (unanimity is required). Is your source in any way connected to the Daily Mail or GB News? They get around to telling the truth eventually, but it's way down at the bottom of the article. I'm assuming you didn't see it yourself. Or else you wouldn't have started a thread about nothing. Because it's literally nothing given that unanimity is required. Oh I saw it alright , it made the story What story? The EU can't 'give itself more power'. It requires the consent of every member state. What's the problem with that? |
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 23, 2023 19:33:00 GMT
Oh I saw it alright , it made the story What story? The EU can't 'give itself more power'. It requires the consent of every member state. What's the problem with that? No it doesn't , it now only requires the consent of the majority |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 23, 2023 19:38:20 GMT
What story? The EU can't 'give itself more power'. It requires the consent of every member state. What's the problem with that? No it doesn't , it now only requires the consent of the majority Your own article states that it makes no practical difference, as the consent of each member state is still required. Read it again. |
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