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Post by see2 on Nov 29, 2023 9:40:02 GMT
I just don't see communists as carrying any weight in the UK, and as far as I'm aware Democratic Socialists want a modified version of capitalism, not its elimination. Your version of hearts on sleeve referred to the belief about Hamas, my version goes much further right into the hearts of much of the Arab world. i.e. "Arab good and the Israeli bad." I was defining the far-left, of course Communists are very rare compared to Democratic Socialists. The literal definition of Democratic Socialism is to replace Capitalism with a Socialistic economy. Social Democrats are the ones that believe in Capitalism with strong social policies. You can try to deny it, but why else are the left so obsessed with Israel compared to other countries in conflict? lol. I have already told you the answer, they are being played by the far-left into believing it is the correct morale position too take. Are you going to deny the other obvious... and claim Muslims don't automatically adopt a anti-Jewish position? lol. The idea that the UK is in anyway willing to see our capitalist economy eliminated does not wring true for me. "The Left" are so obsessed with Israel because they are the types, not all lefties, who wear their hearts on their sleeves, i.e. their emotions overrule their logic. They don't need to be played by anybody it just comes naturally to them. I have been pointing out that the Arabs, or apparently the majority of Arab Muslims, have been more against the Jews ever since the Ottomans dropped the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews, making Jews equal to the Arabs under the law in 1858. They have been increasingly against the Jews ever since. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 12:30:14 GMT
For anyone who was in any doubt, the notion of Gaza being a refugee camp seems to have been replaced by it being built above and below ground as a paramilitary stronghold, around and under UN building, schools hospitals and mosques. Hamas have done a very good job of equipping themselves and enriching themselves, whilst leaving their ordinary people without.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 18:35:29 GMT
According to Israeli sources, 97 Israeli soldiers have been killed so far in the Gaza ground operation. They also say that more than 7,000 terrorists have been killed.
Hamas are now murdering the hostages as they are getting desperate, losing.
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2023 21:30:02 GMT
According to Israeli sources, 97 Israeli soldiers have been killed so far in the Gaza ground operation. They also say that more than 7,000 terrorists have been killed. Hamas are now murdering the hostages as they are getting desperate, losing. And still Hamas get a free ride from the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab world. All because the Palestinian Arabs refused to allow the Israelis to live in peace and freedom in Palestine. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 9, 2023 21:51:41 GMT
Hamas wanted an overreaction and got one .
Now Israel will leave Gaza a smoking ruin and walk away .
I think there is a lesson there somewhere .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 10:19:12 GMT
Hamas wanted an overreaction and got one . Now Israel will leave Gaza a smoking ruin and walk away . I think there is a lesson there somewhere . I don't think they will walk away. They are putting up Stars of David all over the place. Gaza is being annexed, I would have thought. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 10, 2023 10:23:11 GMT
Hamas wanted an overreaction and got one . Now Israel will leave Gaza a smoking ruin and walk away . I think there is a lesson there somewhere . I don't think they will walk away. They are putting up Stars of David all over the place. Gaza is being annexed, I would have thought. They might stand guard over the smoking ruins for a while but I doubt that they will make much effort to rebuild them |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 10:44:41 GMT
Hamas wanted an overreaction and got one . Now Israel will leave Gaza a smoking ruin and walk away . I think there is a lesson there somewhere . I agree but to a limited extent, but I would suggest that the Hamas slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens was mainly motivated by Arab hatred of the Jews / Israelis, not just for the desire for an overreaction from Israel. I think the situation raises more questions than lessons learnt. My first question would be 'how should the Israelis have dealt with the hate filled mass slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens by the Palestinian Arab army on 7th Oct.'? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 10, 2023 11:40:20 GMT
Hamas wanted an overreaction and got one . Now Israel will leave Gaza a smoking ruin and walk away . I think there is a lesson there somewhere . I agree but to a limited extent, but I would suggest that the Hamas slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens was mainly motivated by Arab hatred of the Jews / Israelis, not just for the desire for an overreaction from Israel. I think the situation raises more questions than lessons learnt. My first question would be 'how should the Israelis have dealt with the hate filled mass slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens by the Palestinian Arab army on 7th Oct.'? No. Hama are hateful alright but they are not mindlessly stupid. They wouldn’t plan and act out the atrocity just for the pleasure of hurting Jews. The plan must have been primarily a way to stop other Muslim countries from forming relationships with Israel and goading Israel into an overreaction. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 14:20:03 GMT
I agree but to a limited extent, but I would suggest that the Hamas slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens was mainly motivated by Arab hatred of the Jews / Israelis, not just for the desire for an overreaction from Israel. I think the situation raises more questions than lessons learnt. My first question would be 'how should the Israelis have dealt with the hate filled mass slaughter and rape of Israeli citizens by the Palestinian Arab army on 7th Oct.'? No. Hama are hateful alright but they are not mindlessly stupid. They wouldn’t plan and act out the atrocity just for the pleasure of hurting Jews. The plan must have been primarily a way to stop other Muslim countries from forming relationships with Israel and goading Israel into an overreaction. The plan was as carried out, to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible. It could have been to seriously destroy Israeli infrastructure, that would have been met with an overresponse by Israel. The only reasonable explanation for the ruthless killing and raping of 1400 unarmed civilians that took place in such a short period of time is very clearly hatred. Killing in order to get a reaction is logical thought, it takes serious emotional built in hatred to do what the Palestinian Muslim army did in Israel on 7/10th. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 10, 2023 14:40:07 GMT
No. Hama are hateful alright but they are not mindlessly stupid. They wouldn’t plan and act out the atrocity just for the pleasure of hurting Jews. The plan must have been primarily a way to stop other Muslim countries from forming relationships with Israel and goading Israel into an overreaction. The plan was as carried out, to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible. It could have been to seriously destroy Israeli infrastructure, that would have been met with an overresponse by Israel. The only reasonable explanation for the ruthless killing and raping of 1400 unarmed civilians that took place in such a short period of time is very clearly hatred. Killing in order to get a reaction is logical thought, it takes serious emotional built in hatred to do what the Palestinian Muslim army did in Israel on 7/10th. No it’s not. Hamas is clearly not capable of taking on Israel alone . However if it made an attack on Israel so dastardly as to goad Israel to overreact then other Muslim nations might intervene. Hamas and its allies are quite capable of logical thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 15:05:13 GMT
No. Hama are hateful alright but they are not mindlessly stupid. They wouldn’t plan and act out the atrocity just for the pleasure of hurting Jews. The plan must have been primarily a way to stop other Muslim countries from forming relationships with Israel and goading Israel into an overreaction. The plan was as carried out, to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible. It could have been to seriously destroy Israeli infrastructure, that would have been met with an overresponse by Israel. The only reasonable explanation for the ruthless killing and raping of 1400 unarmed civilians that took place in such a short period of time is very clearly hatred. Killing in order to get a reaction is logical thought, it takes serious emotional built in hatred to do what the Palestinian Muslim army did in Israel on 7/10th.And a drug called Captagon, apparently. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 10, 2023 15:11:33 GMT
The plan was as carried out, to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible. It could have been to seriously destroy Israeli infrastructure, that would have been met with an overresponse by Israel. The only reasonable explanation for the ruthless killing and raping of 1400 unarmed civilians that took place in such a short period of time is very clearly hatred. Killing in order to get a reaction is logical thought, it takes serious emotional built in hatred to do what the Palestinian Muslim army did in Israel on 7/10th. No it’s not. Hamas is clearly not capable of taking on Israel alone . However if it made an attack on Israel so dastardly as to goad Israel to overreact then other Muslim nations might intervene. Hamas and its allies are quite capable of logical thought. Even IF your approach was correct, the end result would be that the Arabs would get their hatred driven desire met, i.e. the eliminate Israel. Hatred in 1900 , wars of hatred 1948 to 1970, followed by suicide bombers etc. hatred hatred hatred of the Jews / Israelis, war of annihilation of Israel followed by wars of annihilation of Israel. Hatred still motivates the Palestinian Muslim Arabs. That the Palestinian Muslims Arabs hate the non-Muslim Jews / Israelis, is proven by history. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 10, 2023 15:16:54 GMT
No it’s not. Hamas is clearly not capable of taking on Israel alone . However if it made an attack on Israel so dastardly as to goad Israel to overreact then other Muslim nations might intervene. Hamas and its allies are quite capable of logical thought. Even IF your approach was correct, the end result would be that the Arabs would get their hatred driven desire met, i.e. the eliminate Israel. Hatred in 1900 , wars of hatred 1948 to 1970, followed by suicide bombers etc. hatred hatred hatred of the Jews / Israelis, war of annihilation of Israel followed by wars of annihilation of Israel. Hatred still motivates the Palestinian Muslim Arabs. That the Palestinian Muslims Arabs hate the non-Muslim Jews / Israelis, is proven by history. Yes the aim would be to eliminate an enemy and take over its territory . Hardly illogical. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 11, 2023 10:55:38 GMT
Even IF your approach was correct, the end result would be that the Arabs would get their hatred driven desire met, i.e. the eliminate Israel. Hatred in 1900 , wars of hatred 1948 to 1970, followed by suicide bombers etc. hatred hatred hatred of the Jews / Israelis, war of annihilation of Israel followed by wars of annihilation of Israel. Hatred still motivates the Palestinian Muslim Arabs. That the Palestinian Muslims Arabs hate the non-Muslim Jews / Israelis, is proven by history. Yes the aim would be to eliminate an enemy and take over its territory . Hardly illogical. The enemy are the instigators of violence and wars, and that is the history of the Palestinian Arabs against the Palestinian Jews / Israelis. There is nothing logical about the act of an army entering another country and actually slaughtering as many men women and children as they can find. Your own misguided application of logic to that situation cannot change that fact. |
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