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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2023 11:15:02 GMT
Have Hamas learnt a lesson, if so what might that lesson be?
At the moment it looks like the hostages might be released, what might follow such a happening?
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Post by Dogburger on Nov 21, 2023 13:30:14 GMT
Hamas is the paramilitary wing of the death cult that is Islam .They will be celebrating the carnage they have caused in Israel and Palestine as well as laughing at those in the west that march around its capitals Jew hating .
The release of hostages will see Hamas prisoners returned to the tunnels in return ,a brief cease fire before hostilities resume . This is a religious war without end ,peace of some sorts will only be found with one side suppressing the other into submission .
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Post by om15 on Nov 21, 2023 14:36:40 GMT
Don't rely on Tehran.
Israel has been itching to flatten Tehran for years, all the support and encouragement, from rhetoric to hand grenades, emanating from Iran has allowed Hamas to think that it has great back up and will be able to take on Israel, this is not so. Once the USA parked a couple of aircraft carriers offshore and then bribed Tehran to walk away Hamas was on its own.
Tehran will continue to arm and encourage all the other anti west groups in the area, but it wouldn't surprise me if once the IDF have cleared out Gaza they might do a little pre emptive move on Iran, as for Hamas, they won't exist in a month or so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 15:13:11 GMT
Hamas don't seem to have learned how to surrender, although some have and have provided good intelligence about the hospitals and tunnels.
This hostage swap if it takes place is fraught with potential problems. It will be good for those who are freed, but I understand Hamas are trying to get Israel to stop aerial surveillance during the ceasefire.
So they can regroup and get their people moved South?
It's always a difficult decision to negotiate with the terrorists who took the hostages in the first place.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 21, 2023 16:07:31 GMT
Hamas don't seem to have learned how to surrender, although some have and have provided good intelligence about the hospitals and tunnels. This hostage swap if it takes place is fraught with potential problems. It will be good for those who are freed, but I understand Hamas are trying to get Israel to stop aerial surveillance during the ceasefire. So they can regroup and get their people moved South? It's always a difficult decision to negotiate with the terrorists who took the hostages in the first place. I heard an interview in which one opinion was that Hamas would not keep its end of any ceasefire for hostages deal, because they never have honoured any ceasefire. He said they would agree to - say - 50 hostages for a five day ceasefire, but by day 4, they'd only have delivered 20 hostages and would make the return of the remaining 30 hostages conditional upon extending the ceasefire. He also said Hamas would use a ceasefire to resupply and mine various areas, so the Israelis would be gaining hostages but losing more soldiers when they re-entered the fray. This is a difficult choice to make. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 21, 2023 16:08:45 GMT
Don't rely on Tehran. Israel has been itching to flatten Tehran for years, all the support and encouragement, from rhetoric to hand grenades, emanating from Iran has allowed Hamas to think that it has great back up and will be able to take on Israel, this is not so. Once the USA parked a couple of aircraft carriers offshore and then bribed Tehran to walk away Hamas was on its own. Tehran will continue to arm and encourage all the other anti west groups in the area, but it wouldn't surprise me if once the IDF have cleared out Gaza they might do a little pre emptive move on Iran, as for Hamas, they won't exist in a month or so. How was Tehran bribed by the USA to walk away from the Gaza conflict? I read that the Iranians were not happy that Hamas had given them no prior warning of October 7th attack. www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/irans-betrayal-leaves-hamas-nowhere-to-go/ar-AA1k55n1 |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2023 16:09:32 GMT
I was thinking that if Hamas wants to launch another 7th of November style attack on Israel in the future they would need to go all the way and destroy Israel, they would know what the reaction from Israel would be in reply to another 7/10 style attack on Israel.
Will the non-combatant Arabs in Gaza put any pressure on Hamas to leave Israel alone?
Will Hamas start thinking that their efforts against Israel are a lost cause?
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Post by om15 on Nov 21, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 21, 2023 17:52:05 GMT
Bit of a strange question really.
Other than kindly take your peopke and jump in the fucking sea, what ‘lesson’ would you suggest netanyahu wishes them to learn.
He is after all just as keen to have the land from the river to the sea purged of non jewry
He even redefined the word semite to mean jew.
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2023 18:16:56 GMT
Bit of a strange question really. Other than kindly take your peopke and jump in the fucking sea, what ‘lesson’ would you suggest netanyahu wishes them to learn. He is after all just as keen to have the land from the river to the sea purged of non jewry He even redefined the word semite to mean jew. I'm not sure that "Semite to Jew" waited for Netanyahu. Your point is probably a very problematic point that so many people overlook. The history since the Ottomans cancelled the chains of Dhimmitude (1858) on the Jews, has very very clearly exposed the hatred and the denigration the Palestinian Arabs have for the Jews that has resulted in the conflict between the two. Backed incidentally by the Arab world. All people seem to see today is the "that's enough" attitude of Likud, introduced AFTER the failed attempt by the Arabs to eliminate Israel. Kick a dog often enough and there is a chance that sooner or later the dog will bite back. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 21, 2023 19:36:29 GMT
Bit of a strange question really. Other than kindly take your peopke and jump in the fucking sea, what ‘lesson’ would you suggest netanyahu wishes them to learn. He is after all just as keen to have the land from the river to the sea purged of non jewry He even redefined the word semite to mean jew. I'm not sure that "Semite to Jew" waited for Netanyahu. Your point is probably a very problematic point that so many people overlook. The history since the Ottomans cancelled the chains of Dhimmitude (1858) on the Jews, has very very clearly exposed the hatred and the denigration the Palestinian Arabs have for the Jews that has resulted in the conflict between the two. Backed incidentally by the Arab world. All people seem to see today is the "that's enough" attitude of Likud, introduced AFTER the failed attempt by the Arabs to eliminate Israel. Kick a dog often enough and there is a chance that sooner or later the dog will bite back. but nobody except perhaps Gerald Kaufmann has veen allowed to say anything about the reverse…. As you say, if you fire enough hellfire missiles from American supplied helicopter gunships and incinerate enough palestinians, those surviving will bite back…. It’s been going on for millennia …. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 21, 2023 19:45:48 GMT
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Post by om15 on Nov 21, 2023 21:18:30 GMT
I have no idea how effective this gesture was, but prior to the release of funds the Iranians were making noises to indicate that they and Hezbollah intended to join in the fun, but after the funds were released they decided to stay at home, so who knows. Or perhaps it was two aircraft carriers.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 21, 2023 21:25:05 GMT
Bit of a strange question really. Other than kindly take your peopke and jump in the fucking sea, what ‘lesson’ would you suggest netanyahu wishes them to learn. He is after all just as keen to have the land from the river to the sea purged of non jewry He even redefined the word semite to mean jew. I'm not sure that "Semite to Jew" waited for Netanyahu. Your point is probably a very problematic point that so many people overlook. The history since the Ottomans cancelled the chains of Dhimmitude (1858) on the Jews, has very very clearly exposed the hatred and the denigration the Palestinian Arabs have for the Jews that has resulted in the conflict between the two. Backed incidentally by the Arab world. All people seem to see today is the "that's enough" attitude of Likud, introduced AFTER the failed attempt by the Arabs to eliminate Israel. Kick a dog often enough and there is a chance that sooner or later the dog will bite back.Yes and they did but I’m afraid Hamas are rabid. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 21, 2023 21:25:13 GMT
I have no idea how effective this gesture was, but prior to the release of funds the Iranians were making noises to indicate that they and Hezbollah intended to join in the fun, but after the funds were released they decided to stay at home, so who knows. Or perhaps it was two aircraft carriers. Do you have a date for the funds release? As of November 5th, Iran was threatening the US will be hit hard if they don't bring about a ceasefire. www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-says-us-will-be-hit-hard-if-no-ceasefire-gaza-tasnim-2023-11-05/ |
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