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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 7:36:49 GMT
I've started to read Douglas Murray's article in the Telegraph. After the fifth paragraph, I'm already left with questions (well, they are essentially Murray's questions in fact) that I would like answering from our virtue adoring, peace loving Lefties on here:
Here is an extract from the first 5 paragraphs of Murray's article:
1. Why do you think the first protests in London against Israel happened before Israel made its counter attack to the atrocities on October 7th?
2. Straight from Murray's article: What other country would see 1,400 of its citizens slaughtered, 240 kidnapped and countless more wounded for life, and not be allowed even a day to mourn?
3. Only the Jewish state. And everybody in Israel knows as much. Pakistan is currently in the process of forcibly deporting two million Afghans. Why aren't our Muslim brothers and sisters and the virtue adoring Left carrying out marches against the state of Pakistan or Syria? Why is the ire of these people purely focused on Jews? Don't other Muslims matter? (Three questions there).
4. Question 4 leads on from question 3, is anti-semitism at the heart of these marches?
5. What has happened to Britain? (Israelis question), regarding the notion that Britain's population is viewed as one of the most anti-Israeli in the world?
6. Do our virtue adoring Left wing faction, their glorifying terrorist supporters and genuine peaceful ceasefire protestors/vandalisers/intimidators really, and practicably believe that the UK government has any power, or soft power to stop Israel going to war with Israel?
I can understand that this may work in the US who have the most influence over Israel; but a two million march against Blair's invasion of Iraq did little to nothing to change the UK government's course of action.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2023 8:11:36 GMT
I've started to read Douglas Murray's article in the Telegraph. After the fifth paragraph, I'm already left with questions (well, they are essentially Murray's questions in fact) that I would like answering from our virtue adoring, peace loving Lefties on here: Here is an extract from the first 5 paragraphs of Murray's article: 1. Why do you think the first protests in London against Israel happened before Israel made its counter attack to the atrocities on October 7th? 2. Straight from Murray's article: What other country would see 1,400 of its citizens slaughtered, 240 kidnapped and countless more wounded for life, and not be allowed even a day to mourn?3. Only the Jewish state. And everybody in Israel knows as much. Pakistan is currently in the process of forcibly deporting two million Afghans. Why aren't our Muslim brothers and sisters and the virtue adoring Left carrying out marches against the state of Pakistan or Syria? Why is the ire of these people purely focused on Jews? Don't other Muslims matter? (Three questions there). 4. Question 4 leads on from question 3, is anti-semitism at the heart of these marches? 5. What has happened to Britain? (Israelis question), regarding the notion that Britain's population is viewed as one of the most anti-Israeli in the world? 6. Do our virtue adoring Left wing faction, their glorifying terrorist supporters and genuine peaceful ceasefire protestors/vandalisers/intimidators really, and practicably believe that the UK government has any power, or soft power to stop Israel going to war with Israel? I can understand that this may work in the US who have the most influence over Israel; but a two million march against Blair's invasion of Iraq did little to nothing to change the UK government's course of action. Because Gazans are treated like 'inferiors' and are under occupation and have been for decades. Israel is allowed to mourn, who said it is not. Israel was founded by the west and the west including the UK is supplying the arms to kill civilians. No. Anti Israel occupation is but that is an interesting question, people around the world are being saked or cancel for saying 'free Palestine' is the phrase 'free Palestine' now anti-Semitic? Again the goes back to our 'investment' in their weaponry. Nobody, as far as I have seen has 'glorified' what Hamas has done although some do agree that it was because of Israel's treatment of Gazans, see the West bank for evidence, the UK was quick to go to Israel to offer it's 'unconditional' support for it's 'war' against Gaza and it's removal of basic amenities, like water, power, food, internet and medicines, when countries start 'demanding' a ceasefire and they will, Israel will have to listen. Because it is difficult does not mean we should not try. Again and I agree with your comments about Iraq, but if you do not try what else can you do. If no one protested it would embolden Israel and other countries to go even further.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 17, 2023 9:08:44 GMT
I've started to read Douglas Murray's article in the Telegraph. After the fifth paragraph, I'm already left with questions (well, they are essentially Murray's questions in fact) that I would like answering from our virtue adoring, peace loving Lefties on here: Here is an extract from the first 5 paragraphs of Murray's article: 1. Why do you think the first protests in London against Israel happened before Israel made its counter attack to the atrocities on October 7th? 2. Straight from Murray's article: What other country would see 1,400 of its citizens slaughtered, 240 kidnapped and countless more wounded for life, and not be allowed even a day to mourn?3. Only the Jewish state. And everybody in Israel knows as much. Pakistan is currently in the process of forcibly deporting two million Afghans. Why aren't our Muslim brothers and sisters and the virtue adoring Left carrying out marches against the state of Pakistan or Syria? Why is the ire of these people purely focused on Jews? Don't other Muslims matter? (Three questions there). 4. Question 4 leads on from question 3, is anti-semitism at the heart of these marches? 5. What has happened to Britain? (Israelis question), regarding the notion that Britain's population is viewed as one of the most anti-Israeli in the world? 6. Do our virtue adoring Left wing faction, their glorifying terrorist supporters and genuine peaceful ceasefire protestors/vandalisers/intimidators really, and practicably believe that the UK government has any power, or soft power to stop Israel going to war with Israel? I can understand that this may work in the US who have the most influence over Israel; but a two million march against Blair's invasion of Iraq did little to nothing to change the UK government's course of action. Because Gazans are treated like 'inferiors' and are under occupation and have been for decades. Israel is allowed to mourn, who said it is not. Israel was founded by the west and the west including the UK is supplying the arms to kill civilians. No. Anti Israel occupation is but that is an interesting question, people around the world are being saked or cancel for saying 'free Palestine' is the phrase 'free Palestine' now anti-Semitic? Again the goes back to our 'investment' in their weaponry. Nobody, as far as I have seen has 'glorified' what Hamas has done although some do agree that it was because of Israel's treatment of Gazans, see the West bank for evidence, the UK was quick to go to Israel to offer it's 'unconditional' support for it's 'war' against Gaza and it's removal of basic amenities, like water, power, food, internet and medicines, when countries start 'demanding' a ceasefire and they will, Israel will have to listen. Because it is difficult does not mean we should not try. Again and I agree with your comments about Iraq, but if you do not try what else can you do. If no one protested it would embolden Israel and other countries to go even further. A good effort.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 20:50:27 GMT
Understand that nobody really cares enough to put research or thought into their opinions, politics for most is a fashion, and right now it is fashion to be seen as "of the left", so they blindly have the opinion they are told to have.
What then happens is that people follow the fashion, without understand what the hell they are standing for. For the left, Palestine, and any conflict involving Jews is actually about Capitalism. If they do not understand that then they shouldn't be marching... but they still will... because fashion.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 21:03:44 GMT
Because Gazans are treated like 'inferiors' and are under occupation and have been for decades. Israel is allowed to mourn, who said it is not. Israel was founded by the west and the west including the UK is supplying the arms to kill civilians. No. Anti Israel occupation is but that is an interesting question, people around the world are being saked or cancel for saying 'free Palestine' is the phrase 'free Palestine' now anti-Semitic? Again the goes back to our 'investment' in their weaponry. Nobody, as far as I have seen has 'glorified' what Hamas has done although some do agree that it was because of Israel's treatment of Gazans, see the West bank for evidence, the UK was quick to go to Israel to offer it's 'unconditional' support for it's 'war' against Gaza and it's removal of basic amenities, like water, power, food, internet and medicines, when countries start 'demanding' a ceasefire and they will, Israel will have to listen. Because it is difficult does not mean we should not try. Again and I agree with your comments about Iraq, but if you do not try what else can you do. If no one protested it would embolden Israel and other countries to go even further. So let me understand this... the past 75 years of history count, but not the other 3,000 years? There will never be a solution, because: 1) The radical left push an anti-Jewish narrative because Jews are the ultimate symbol of capitalism... and they want to bring it down. 2) The surrounding countries allow the Palestians to suffer because its suits their religious narratives. You don't care about Palestine, you just think you should, because you consider yourself "of the left". If you really care then please tell us all about the past times you have stood up for oppressed people in other parts of the world.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 19, 2023 21:09:29 GMT
Lefties have trouble working themselves up into virtue signalling outrage mode when Muslims kill other Muslims. It just doesn’t hit the spot . They can’t be bothered to march down to the high street when Muslims oppress each other , let alone make banner and catch a train to London .
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 19, 2023 21:13:07 GMT
So let me understand this... the past 75 years of history count, but not the other 3,000 years? There will never be a solution, because: 1) The radical left push an anti-Jewish narrative because Jews are the ultimate symbol of capitalism... and they want to bring it down. 2) The surrounding countries allow the Palestians to suffer because its suits their religious narratives. You don't care about Palestine, you just think you should, because you consider yourself "of the left". If you really care then please tell us all about the past times you have stood up for oppressed people in other parts of the world. Is the right answer and the reason for the endemic anti-Semitism of the left. Which of course they'll never admit because they don't understand it themselves, because fashion. Which is why we should never listen to the left, because they come in two types: The useful idiots who don't actually understand what they're supporting and the "Intellectuals*" who know full well what they're doing but are wrong anyway.
*And they're not actually intellectuals just thickoes with a bit more ambition.
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Post by dodgydave on Nov 19, 2023 21:28:32 GMT
So let me understand this... the past 75 years of history count, but not the other 3,000 years? There will never be a solution, because: 1) The radical left push an anti-Jewish narrative because Jews are the ultimate symbol of capitalism... and they want to bring it down. 2) The surrounding countries allow the Palestians to suffer because its suits their religious narratives. You don't care about Palestine, you just think you should, because you consider yourself "of the left". If you really care then please tell us all about the past times you have stood up for oppressed people in other parts of the world. Is the right answer and the reason for the endemic anti-Semitism of the left. Which of course they'll never admit because they don't understand it themselves, because fashion. Which is why we should never listen to the left, because they come in two types: The useful idiots who don't actually understand what they're supporting and the "Intellectuals*" who know full well what they're doing but are wrong anyway.
*And they're not actually intellectuals just thickoes with a bit more ambition.
There are good thinkers on the left who don't give two shits about the Middle East, and are more concerned about domestic issues. What I described is not limited to the left, there are plenty of mindless sheep on the right too... it just so happens that the Middle East appeals more to the sheep on the left.
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