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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 23:56:08 GMT
Fatherlessness is fuelling crime as family life becomes increasingly “threadbare” in Britain, according to a leading prison reformer. Lord Farmer, a former Conservative Party treasurer who has conducted reviews of prisoner rehabilitation for the Government, claims persistently high levels of crime and anti-social behaviour are linked to unprecedented levels of family breakdown. He also says children who grow up with “non-biological father-substitutes” are twice as likely to get involved in crime. In a speech on Tuesday organised by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), the Conservative peer, 78, will argue that parents must teach their children right from wrong, rather than leaving them to be influenced by “selfish and narcissistic” role models on social media. Citing CSJ research that shows 75 per cent of young offenders did not grow up with both parents, Lord Farmer will criticise politicians pledging tougher prison sentences and condemn “liberal optimists” who claim social and economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. linkMy brother, sister and I grew up in a one parent family, the reason we didn't go off the rails, and we could have, is because we had a very principled and strong mother. She taught us, sometimes very firmly, the difference between right and wrong. She certainly wouldn't have had much time for todays lefties who claim economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 15, 2023 0:24:02 GMT
Fatherlessness is fuelling crime as family life becomes increasingly “threadbare” in Britain, according to a leading prison reformer. Lord Farmer, a former Conservative Party treasurer who has conducted reviews of prisoner rehabilitation for the Government, claims persistently high levels of crime and anti-social behaviour are linked to unprecedented levels of family breakdown. He also says children who grow up with “non-biological father-substitutes” are twice as likely to get involved in crime. In a speech on Tuesday organised by the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ), the Conservative peer, 78, will argue that parents must teach their children right from wrong, rather than leaving them to be influenced by “selfish and narcissistic” role models on social media. Citing CSJ research that shows 75 per cent of young offenders did not grow up with both parents, Lord Farmer will criticise politicians pledging tougher prison sentences and condemn “liberal optimists” who claim social and economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. linkMy brother, sister and I grew up in a one parent family, the reason we didn't go off the rails, and we could have, is because we had a very principled and strong mother. She taught us, sometimes very firmly, the difference between right and wrong. She certainly wouldn't have had much time for todays lefties who claim economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. I don't think the lefties are saying that economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. They're saying that the absence of a father disadvantages children, and not just materially. Disadvantages can add up and tilt the odds for a child. I happen to think that the opposite is also true. Too many advantages may not be what's best for a child, either. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 15, 2023 0:47:22 GMT
I don't think the lefties are saying that economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. They're saying that the absence of a father disadvantages children, and not just materially. Disadvantages can add up and tilt the odds for a child. I happen to think that the opposite is also true. Too many advantages may not be what's best for a child, either. Lefties are saying it all the time, economic disadvantage is to blame for criminality. We hear it almost on a daily basis. And lets not pussyfoot around the edges, as Denzel Washington said, where are the fathers. Some lefties try to excuse mass looting on poverty, it's pathetic. Someone who is starving does not organise a mass looting of JD Sports. Christ if we had stolen anything as kids mum would have given us a good hiding and we knew it. These days it's a criminal offence to smack an unruly child, which is why in my day kids weren't expelled from school, they were caned. Today thousands of kids are expelled every year. Progress? I think not. |
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Post by piglet on Nov 15, 2023 11:55:04 GMT
I was stopped by a copper as a child riding a bike at night with no lights, he took ny address and said he was coming to talk to my father, he didnt of course. For two weeks i was shaking like a leaf, if the copper did that i was going to be beaten. If i got into trouble at school, or didnt attend, all hell would break loose.
My father was a total bar steward, a ww2 vet from the wrong side, his hand spoke, and proves the above point. Kids today laugh at authority, mock it, run riot. Not if my father was around.
Society today is too tolerant, too left wing, too forgiving, and we pay for it. The penny never drops with wrong doers, it takes punishment, even then they wont get it, its only punishment that will stop them, they are primitive animals, untrained, urinating on the carpet with their violence, drugs, etc.
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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2023 12:01:04 GMT
Fatherlessness (imho) often removes the family discipline that acts (for the male child) as proxy for the likely judgment of the outside world.
Mothers will always treat their children as 'a special case' because of their direct connection with the origins of the child. Fathers are more capable emotionally of applying an impartial (distant) standard.
At about ten onwards, male children need to be set hard guidelines and expectations based on the standards they can expect outside the family.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 15, 2023 15:38:01 GMT
 Grew up without a father, was a petty criminal. Was remanded in custody in a youth correctional facility. Turned his life around after being bollocked spectacularly by the authorities. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 15, 2023 17:30:37 GMT
Turned his life around after being bollocked spectacularly by the authorities. ..and remained a drug-addled, violently abusive narcissist for the rest of his life. There's a pretty wide gulf between "turned his life around" and "found early success in an industry who were desperately searching for the next James Dean". |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 15, 2023 18:10:13 GMT
And that proves the point of the original post.
If it hadn't been Hollywood, it might instead have been a life in prison.
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 15, 2023 18:19:54 GMT
And that proves the point of the original post. If it hadn't been Hollywood, it might instead have been a life in prison. My point was that he may have become incredibly "successful" (by the same infinitesimal stroke of luck that put any other megastar where they wound up), but *my* definition of someone turning their life around would be "becoming a better person". This clearly didn't happen in Mr McQueen's case. Indeed, his wealth and success served merely to insulate him from the consequences of his actions. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 15, 2023 18:27:51 GMT
He was convicted of drink driving in the early 1970's, he was an arsehole.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 16, 2023 1:37:28 GMT
The crime lords of London (the Crays, the Richardsons, etc) kept down crime that impacted working class areas.
Example: A "troublesome" family who were upsetting their neighbours were moved to another part of the country by the Crays.
To a degree they were "robbing the rich to help the poor".
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