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Post by piglet on Nov 14, 2023 15:52:28 GMT
With David Cameron back it seems that the Conservatives have permanently changed, and that traditional Conservatism is dead.
Look at the forces ranged against society,
The BBC, all of it, including the radio.
ITV
Channel four and five,
Sky, all of it
The newspapers, the Guardian, Mirror etc, all of them really even the Telegraph.
Big government, local councils they co -ordinate, eg, banning cars, climate. Most of the poplation who have been corralled into leftism and wokery.
Who is opposing?, two tv channels with tuppeny studios and a party , Reform, no one votes for. Sunak would not be doing what hes doing without thinking he can win the next election, oh, thats not nescessary, Labour will carry on the same stuff.
The BBC approach to politics has won, when will hating Britain stop?, and what happens when there are no brits left to hate.? Hitler would have moved on from the jews to the Slavs, my guess will be obviously British jews, not many here, then the celts, probably, its the celts who will fight, and have done against the Norman, German invaders. Britain will be a shire of Europe in the future, governed by a Russian type dictator. Opposition will be met by force, the rage that now people who are not woke face.
Britain faces the same problems we faced against the Nazis, invasion wont come, its already here, and Brits are fighting for them, they used to be called Conservative.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 14, 2023 16:14:37 GMT
I think Cameron being back is about having a friend to support him. I think it will be electoral suicide for another change and as Braverman the Brexit girl was talking off the cuff to the press she probably had to go.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 18:07:35 GMT
Bringing Cameron back into government is the biggest mistake Sunak has made to date, and given his mistakes that's saying something. Bringing Cameron back via the Lords has angered people who are already in government and reinforced the opinion of voters that Sunak is a pro EU centrist. The man is a bloody fool.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 18:19:24 GMT
Is it a mistake ?
Does Sunak want to be PM for the betterment of the people or to change the UK to suit him and his world view ?
If the Tories fail and the country is governed by Labour in a way that suits his business needs and world view then it’s a win win .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 18:42:06 GMT
Bringing Cameron back into government is the biggest mistake Sunak has made to date, and given his mistakes that's saying something. Bringing Cameron back via the Lords has angered people who are already in government and reinforced the opinion of voters that Sunak is a pro EU centrist. The man is a bloody fool. They've shit on the people who voted in Boris and forced in some unelected wanker who is sacking the only people worth a bean and returning the Remainer failures. I would say it's electoral suicide, but since mainstream politics doesn't allow a viable opposition it doesn't matter either way.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 19:06:41 GMT
Bringing Cameron back into government is the biggest mistake Sunak has made to date, and given his mistakes that's saying something. Bringing Cameron back via the Lords has angered people who are already in government and reinforced the opinion of voters that Sunak is a pro EU centrist. The man is a bloody fool. They've shit on the people who voted in Boris and forced in some unelected wanker who is sacking the only people worth a bean and returning the Remainer failures. I would say it's electoral suicide, but since mainstream politics doesn't allow a viable opposition it doesn't matter either way. I wouldn't say it doesn't matter, and as grim as it is who knows what's around the corner. As Commander Shore said 'anything can happen in the next five minutes' The Tories have certainly wasted a huge majority like no government in my lifetime. The rot started when behind the scenes the men in grey suits decided they wanted Sunak, Truss could have upset their plans but fortunately for them she went at it like a bull at a barn door. The period of government from 2019 to 2024 should be studied by students of politics and indeed politicians as the blueprint of how not to do it. And the fact is it may get even madder because Sunak may not last until the next election. Another PM! Sounds mad, but it's far from impossible. Has there ever been a better time to be a political journalist. [Apologies for the Stingray quote lol] |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2023 19:23:43 GMT
Stingray?
According to Mad Nad the party is being run by Dr No or is it the Mysterons?
Let's face it. They are knackered with a capital F and the sooner they put their hands up and call a general election, the better. This government has failed in most respects. Three PMs in one term, one lasted less time than a jar of coffee.
Let's have a new mandate.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 22:17:37 GMT
Is it a mistake ? Does Sunak want to be PM for the betterment of the people or to change the UK to suit him and his world view ? If the Tories fail and the country is governed by Labour in a way that suits his business needs and world view then it’s a win win . Think of it like this, the Tories are in all likelihood going to lose the next election. So what have they got to lose by getting rid of Sunak now? Get the letters in, get Sunak out and get a proper centre right Conservative into number 10. I accept with 12 months to go it will probably be to late, but in my opinion it's a better option than slowly sinking on HMS Sunak. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 22:36:40 GMT
Is it a mistake ? Does Sunak want to be PM for the betterment of the people or to change the UK to suit him and his world view ? If the Tories fail and the country is governed by Labour in a way that suits his business needs and world view then it’s a win win . Think of it like this, the Tories are in all likelihood going to lose the next election. So what have they got to lose by getting rid of Sunak now? Get the letters in, get Sunak out and get a proper centre right Conservative into number 10. I accept with 12 months to go it will probably be to late, but in my opinion it's a better option than slowly sinking on HMS Sunak. That's not what I’m saying . If Sunak wants power to suit himself then it doesn’t matter whether it’s him or another government that facilitates it . Sunak is forming a government which is no different from Labour ( apart from rhetoric and some identity politics) . Whatever happens will suit Sunak . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 22:46:26 GMT
Think of it like this, the Tories are in all likelihood going to lose the next election. So what have they got to lose by getting rid of Sunak now? Get the letters in, get Sunak out and get a proper centre right Conservative into number 10. I accept with 12 months to go it will probably be to late, but in my opinion it's a better option than slowly sinking on HMS Sunak. That's not what I’m saying . If Sunak wants power to suit himself then it doesn’t matter whether it’s him or another government that facilitates it . Sunak is forming a government which is no different from Labour ( apart from rhetoric and some identity politics) . Whatever happens will suit Sunak . I'm not sure I follow. How can Sunak achieve power if he's not in government? And he isn't forming a government, he did that 12 months ago, yes I agree Sunak's government is no different to Labour which is why he's in trouble. It's been said a million times, Sunak is not a Tory, he's a pro EU centrist. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 22:48:28 GMT
That's not what I’m saying . If Sunak wants power to suit himself then it doesn’t matter whether it’s him or another government that facilitates it . Sunak is forming a government which is no different from Labour ( apart from rhetoric and some identity politics) . Whatever happens will suit Sunak . I'm not sure I follow. How can Sunak achieve power if he's not in government? And he isn't forming a government, he did that 12 months ago, yes I agree Sunak's government is no different to Labour which is why he's in trouble. It's been said a million times, Sunak is not a Tory, he's a pro EU centrist. He is a multi millionaire. He doesn’t need political power . He needs the environment to be a multi billionaire . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 14, 2023 23:03:52 GMT
I'm not sure I follow. How can Sunak achieve power if he's not in government? And he isn't forming a government, he did that 12 months ago, yes I agree Sunak's government is no different to Labour which is why he's in trouble. It's been said a million times, Sunak is not a Tory, he's a pro EU centrist. He is a multi millionaire. He doesn’t need political power . He needs the environment to be a multi billionaire . Meh, he'll be off to the US soon. And good riddance. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 14, 2023 23:08:22 GMT
He is a multi millionaire. He doesn’t need political power . He needs the environment to be a multi billionaire . Meh, he'll be off to the US soon. And good riddance. Indeed. He will get his reward from the the US , the EU and the folks back in India in due course . Rather more than a brown envelope could hold I reckon . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2023 3:53:11 GMT
Is it a mistake ? Does Sunak want to be PM for the betterment of the people or to change the UK to suit him and his world view ? If the Tories fail and the country is governed by Labour in a way that suits his business needs and world view then it’s a win win . That^^. It's an error to think that politicians care about the future of the country. They don't. They are all about agenda and personal aggrandisement. The populace are only there to bankroll the project. Democracy is an illusion. |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 15, 2023 9:38:56 GMT
Perhaps worth pointing out that Esther McVey is back too as the Minister without Portfolio and is expected to battle the Woke brigade and she backed Brexit.
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