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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 10, 2023 14:31:21 GMT
How many people were aware of the extent of anti-semitism in this country before the 7/10 terrorist attacks? I knew that most muslims were anti-semites because I've lived in the UAE for years. But I wasn't aware of quite how far it had penetrated the UK. it's even in the sleepy West Country - these people are marching in Exeter. The extent of apologism (from the Left) for these bastards comes as no surprise though. There's the same old Lefty argument - "they're not all terrorists". Some are nice people. Obviously. But some Nazis were nice people too. It's quite hard to find any group of people who are ALL bad.
However, as I've said before, my contention is that the muslims are the 21st century Nazis. And we're making the same mistakes in appeasing them.
They hate the Jews and want to exterminate them. It's quite amazing that our Lefties seem to accept their bollocks that the Israelis are "committing genocide" in Gaza. The hypocrisy is absolutely breathtaking. And the muslims stated intention is also to set up a global caliphate and eliminate the infidel which is what they're doing in their own lands. Yet our politicians (except for Braverman) can't see what's going on. They sit around saying that Jihad doesn't mean war. Feeble apologism.
We had a decent country once but when I see the state of London now I despair.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2023 16:44:47 GMT
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Post by see2 on Nov 10, 2023 17:30:28 GMT
How many people were aware of the extent of anti-semitism in this country before the 7/10 terrorist attacks? I knew that most muslims were anti-semites because I've lived in the UAE for years. But I wasn't aware of quite how far it had penetrated the UK. it's even in the sleepy West Country - these people are marching in Exeter. The extent of apologism (from the Left) for these bastards comes as no surprise though. There's the same old Lefty argument - "they're not all terrorists". Some are nice people. Obviously. But some Nazis were nice people too. It's quite hard to find any group of people who are ALL bad. However, as I've said before, my contention is that the muslims are the 21st century Nazis. And we're making the same mistakes in appeasing them. They hate the Jews and want to exterminate them. It's quite amazing that our Lefties seem to accept their bollocks that the Israelis are " committing genocide" in Gaza. The hypocrisy is absolutely breathtaking. And the muslims stated intention is also to set up a global caliphate and eliminate the infidel which is what they're doing in their own lands. Yet our politicians (except for Braverman) can't see what's going on. They sit around saying that Jihad doesn't mean war. Feeble apologism. We had a decent country once but when I see the state of London now I despair. I have a suspicion that there is a lot of truth in your post. I think that decades of the 'poor me' put out by so many Arabs and their naively easily led followers in countries around the world, has proved that false dishonest propaganda actually works when it is pushed and repeated often enough. (I have the same feelings about the dishonest propaganda against Gordon Brown, but that is another thread). I have some problem with your "from the left" claim because while the naive heart on sleeve people do appear to be mainly on the left, I suspect that most Liberals and many Tories are also naive enough to fall for the propaganda, helped of course by the reality of what is happening in Gaza to day. I have no problem with good Muslims, but I absolutely do have a problem with Islam the religion. Islam is IMO an over self-indoctrinating religion that so often messes up the emotional system of its followers. It is IMO more akin to a cult rather than a religion. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 10, 2023 18:15:20 GMT
It is an interesting historical fact that antisemitism, outside of Germany, in the form of "the Jews are plotting to take over", was given a major boost by the establishment of the German state in 1871. Jewish bankers played a major role in organising the country's finances. In 1911 a book was published in Germany, which was widely read, in which it was said that the success of the German state came about as a consequence of the financial expertise of their Jewish bankers combined with the inventiveness and industriousness of the German people. France, and especially Russia became concerned about this "rise of Jewish influence". The American media also participated in arousing people's suspicion of what the Jews were up to.
After WW1, some senior Arab leaders, aware of the rise of antisemitism in Europe and elsewhere, suggested that Jews should be invited to settle in Arab lands. If England and France had not "colonised" Arab lands the Jews might well have become "respected" citizens of their countries.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 18:32:19 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2023 18:38:24 GMT
Yes - Palestinians claim asylum in Israel because they are not safe from other Palestinians..
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 11, 2023 7:36:20 GMT
From various polls taken (not very scientifically) it seems the vast majority of "the people" agree with Braverman. In particular she's spot on about the police behaving in a politicised way in that people breaking the law are treated much less severely if the police sympathise with their cause - for example BLM and JSO demos are handled with kid gloves while the Vigil for Sarah Everard was viciously suppressed. Although, in the case of the Palestine "peace" marches, I think the police's action is tempered by the fact that they're shit-scared of offending the muslims. However, I suspect that more people in the Tory party agree with Braverman than you might think. They just don't have the balls to say so. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 11, 2023 7:43:03 GMT
From various polls taken (not very scientifically) it seems the vast majority of "the people" agree with Braverman. In particular she's spot on about the police behaving in a politicised way in that people breaking the law are treated much less severely if the police sympathise with their cause - for example BLM and JSO demos are handled with kid gloves while the Vigil for Sarah Everard was viciously suppressed. Although, in the case of the Palestine "peace" marches, I think the police's action is tempered by the fact that they're shit-scared of offending the muslims. However, I suspect that more people in the Tory party agree with Braverman than you might think. They just don't have the balls to say so. Do you, I think they are fiddling with fascism when it suits them. Getting people to agree with it, is another matter. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 11, 2023 7:58:43 GMT
Do you, I think they are fiddling with fascism when it suits them. Getting people to agree with it, is another matter. I agree. The Tories have certainly lurched to the left in recent years. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 11, 2023 8:13:07 GMT
From various polls taken (not very scientifically) it seems the vast majority of "the people" agree with Braverman. In particular she's spot on about the police behaving in a politicised way in that people breaking the law are treated much less severely if the police sympathise with their cause - for example BLM and JSO demos are handled with kid gloves while the Vigil for Sarah Everard was viciously suppressed. Although, in the case of the Palestine "peace" marches, I think the police's action is tempered by the fact that they're shit-scared of offending the muslims. However, I suspect that more people in the Tory party agree with Braverman than you might think. They just don't have the balls to say so. I believe, from what I'm aware of, that Braverman is probably correct in what she said, unfortunately, IMO she has said the right thing at the wrong time. So many people will turn a deaf ear, not even hearing her words let alone agreeing with her, because of what is happening in Gaza right now. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 11, 2023 8:17:33 GMT
Do you, I think they are fiddling with fascism when it suits them. Getting people to agree with it, is another matter. I agree. The Tories have certainly lurched to the left in recent years. I think the reality has been that anything other than showing a social minded approach to the problems over the last two years could have seen the total collapse of the Conservative party. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 11, 2023 8:27:37 GMT
I agree. The Tories have certainly lurched to the left in recent years. I think the reality has been that anything other than showing a social minded approach to the problems over the last two years could have seen the total collapse of the Conservative party. We have seen the total collapse of the Conservative Party - their base is just staying at home now due to the drift leftwards. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 11, 2023 8:40:53 GMT
I think the reality has been that anything other than showing a social minded approach to the problems over the last two years could have seen the total collapse of the Conservative party. We have seen the total collapse of the Conservative Party - their base is just staying at home now due to the drift leftwards. That's not what I call " total collapse". |
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