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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 6, 2023 13:24:06 GMT
What happened was basically John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty which gave away our sovereignty for NOTHING in return - not that anything could be compensate for this. And Blair decided to open the borders to basically anyone, just to annoy the Right. Blair then participated in the Iraq war - which was insane. He also politicised the civil service so nobody can get anything done any more. We're now in the situation where the LeFt - and many other groups - are on a mission to destroy the values of this country.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 6, 2023 13:57:29 GMT
John Major was born in 1943 and everything would have been how he describes during his formative years. You sound rather like the scoffers in the Guardian and the Independent who insisted he was wrong because he didn't mention multiculturalism or the permissive society. But I think his larger point, and the message he was conveying to his party colleagues, is that there was no inherent conflict between Britain being an integral part of the European Union and wishing to preserve its own unique culture. And he was clearly talking utter shite about that, too. How so?
I'm not aware of any other EU member state where such a conflict is part of popular mythology. so what makes it so in the case of Britain?
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 6, 2023 14:06:16 GMT
Hmmm...  what you need to go alongside that are pictures of the area when he said it … there are any number from the 1983 era when i was a regular traveller to scientific meetings in london, as an example… |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 18:08:32 GMT
Hmmm... what you need to go alongside that are pictures of the area when he said it … there are any number from the 1983 era when i was a regular traveller to scientific meetings in london, as an example…  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2023 18:33:56 GMT
I don't think that John Major lived in the real world then. It was never actually like that. Every Tory PM in my adult lifetime has talked utter shite half the time. And the Labour ones were just as bad. Guy Fawkes, where are you when we need you most? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 7, 2023 8:54:28 GMT
And he was clearly talking utter shite about that, too. How so?
I'm not aware of any other EU member state where such a conflict is part of popular mythology. so what makes it so in the case of Britain?
Ok i’ll pick up on that if i may I don’t recall much of the Major premiership i was too busy trying to find a way to earn the wonga that i needed to stop my home being reposessed courtesy of the crippling cost of living. But i do recall various bits of bullshit being spouted by him minimalising the impact of the Maastricht treaty for example, and i distinctly recall Norman the Eyebrows Lamont snd his game of chicken with George Soros over the narrow band ERM that basically sent my client to the wall owing me thirty eight grand i almost didn’t get paid (and would not have if i didn't play games equally as dirty as the client did with their suppliers) I then spent a while in France and Belgium and a little time in Italy This taught me that most banks were more of a protection racket than the Mafia. Had you asked me then to vote on joining the Euro, with me losing twenty p in every pound getting invoices in two types of francs, and particularly ones in lira, converted into money in sterling in a british bank i’d have voted yes unquestionably But major’s words on the ‘s’ word, that term that means ‘nothing is done centrally that can’t be done locally’ was utter bullshit as the europhiles demanded central control in the name of ‘the single market’ But you asked about other EU countries having a clash between euro centralisation and nationalist culture I give you Latvia and Lithuania. But concurrent with Major’s mouthings, i think you need to look harder at France. I was there sorting out inmarsat incompatibilities with France Telecom’s networks. And i tell you now they hate the likes of the CCITT telling them how their phones should ring more than you could imagine. And much of that, i think, stems from a national leaning towards wanting above all to be french. Which is nothing to do with colour or race and everything to do with attitude. People i worked with whinge about the French being … French. I had no problems while i was there because i went out of my way to pick up more of the language and what i have to call ‘the lifestyle’ Attitudes to German EEC politicisns who wished to piss on that git very short shrift within tbe ranks at France Telecom anyway … |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2023 10:45:19 GMT
From my own observations of living and working for many years on the continent, in two different spells, I'd say that the French are still French, the Germans still German. the Italians and Spanish likewise, while the Dutch are still stubbornly Dutch and the Belgians are still, well, Flemings and Walloons. And so on and so forth.
EU membership has had no discernible effect on national cultures and nobody on the continent is concerned that it will. What they all fear though is the effect of the 'McDonalds-isation' transmitted unremittingly across the Atlantic by Hollywood and the social media, and amplified en route by the relay station on Airstrip One.
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 7, 2023 11:25:20 GMT
Ok Dan i think we’re actually of the same mind as regards how the other countries in the EEC have remained, some may say stubbornly remained, in control of their identity despite being part of the EEC and lster the hegemony that Maastricht and Lisbon imposed
But that said, you can’t possibly have failed to notice the same pressures are being put on those countries by the same forces we are experiencing…
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Post by bancroft on Nov 7, 2023 13:44:30 GMT
From my own observations of living and working for many years on the continent, in two different spells, I'd say that the French are still French, the Germans still German. the Italians and Spanish likewise, while the Dutch are still stubbornly Dutch and the Belgians are still, well, Flemings and Walloons. And so on and so forth. EU membership has had no discernible effect on national cultures and nobody on the continent is concerned that it will. What they all fear though is the effect of the 'McDonalds-isation' transmitted unremittingly across the Atlantic by Hollywood and the social media, and amplified en route by the relay station on Airstrip One. You say all of this yet the political Right is growing in all of these countries which you did not see more than 5 years ago. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2023 14:46:54 GMT
In stark contrast to the UK, none of the newly popular continental populist parties are anti-EU. They are all very much anti 'Anglo-Saxon' though.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2023 14:53:18 GMT
Ok Dan i think we’re actually of the same mind as regards how the other countries in the EEC have remained, some may say stubbornly remained, in control of their identity despite being part of the EEC and lster the hegemony that Maastricht and Lisbon imposed But that said, you can’t possibly have failed to notice the same pressures are being put on those countries by the same forces we are experiencing… The pressures being exerted are global ones, the difference being that whereas the UK (or at least its Brexit-supporting faction) believe they can best be resisted by sailing the choppy waters alone, relying on the 'Anglosphere' and making new 'friends' as and when an opportunity arises, EU members and political factions of all stripes believe they will be better off sticking together.
It's a fundamental philosophical difference.
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Post by bancroft on Nov 7, 2023 15:54:08 GMT
In stark contrast to the UK, none of the newly popular continental populist parties are anti-EU. They are all very much anti 'Anglo-Saxon' though. That does not surprise me evolving in the shadow of the British and then American 'empire' must build a lot of either jealously or resentment. |
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