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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 11:09:50 GMT
The precise word for what Braverman is attempting to do is SUPPRESION Its not the pro peace rally participants who are "anti British" or "unpatriotic", it is Suella Braverman, because to ban a protest simply because you do not agree with them, You would then be in favour of the proposed EDL march being allowed? No I would not The EDL are a far right organisation of whom THE MAJORITY of its followers have extremist, racist views, and everywhere they went ( usually in areas with high Muslim populations ), they caused trouble, violence, vandalism and hatred. For what possible reason would the EDL want to march for ? .... other than as a provocation |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 9, 2023 11:10:45 GMT
No, its lies as being the cause of division and strife. Always has been. But this has been covered before. Inadvertent collateral damage is not morally the same as setting out to target people in such a way. ....or, it isn't usually considered as such. Tell me, do you only employ this bizarre equivalence in this particular case or do you consider much of the UK's efforts against the Nazis to be also serial killer type criminality? If Hamas were hiding amongst Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv do you think that the IDF would be using the same tactics they are currently using in Gaza? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 9, 2023 11:12:54 GMT
I am not aware of the detail of any proposed EDL march.
If such a thing exists, it should be considered under the same criteria as any other proposed moving demonstration. The default position is it should be allowed and that only changed if in the opinion of the Police, it is likely to cause serious public disorder.
That is quite a high threshold which I believe has only ever been met on one occasion. I stand to be corrected on this however.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 11:13:54 GMT
Just hours after Sunak attempted to take the heat out of the manufactured row, Braverman has sought to reignite the row by yet more inflammatory comments. Its an open challenge to the Prime Minister's authority and a blatant attempt to use fear and division and now conflict on the streets to climb the greasy pole. Is Sunak really so weak that he will not get rid of this woman? The left hate her because she would like to stop the boats. The left and the blob want more of the same. Priti Patel was the same. Trying to swim upstream - eventually they tire of fighting the system which wants more boats and more mayhem. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 11:22:36 GMT
Just hours after Sunak attempted to take the heat out of the manufactured row, Braverman has sought to reignite the row by yet more inflammatory comments. Its an open challenge to the Prime Minister's authority and a blatant attempt to use fear and division and now conflict on the streets to climb the greasy pole. Is Sunak really so weak that he will not get rid of this woman? The left hate her because she would like to stop the boats. The left and the blob want more of the same. Priti Patel was the same. Trying to swim upstream - eventually they tire of fighting the system which wants more boats and more mayhem. There are actually many Tory MPs who do not like her, and for very good reason Braverman would create a very divisive society, a society full of hate, spite and biterness, and its another sign of how the Tory Party is split between traditional Conservatives and the Populists / Rabble Rousers, of which Braverman has emerged as the leader. Anyone who advocates someone like Braverman as the next Tory leader, or Prime Minister, hates this country, and wishes to see it badly divided, perhaps even irrevocably. We were always a relatively tolerant and moderate nation, and I fear what is happening. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 9, 2023 11:32:45 GMT
The left hate her because she would like to stop the boats. The left and the blob want more of the same. Priti Patel was the same. Trying to swim upstream - eventually they tire of fighting the system which wants more boats and more mayhem. There are actually many Tory MPs who do not like her, and for very good reason Braverman would create a very divisive society, a society full of hate, spite and biterness, and its another sign of how the Tory Party is split between traditional Conservatives and the Populists / Rabble Rousers, of which Braverman has emerged as the leader. Anyone who advocates someone like Braverman as the next Tory leader, or Prime Minister, hates this country, and wishes to see it badly divided, perhaps even irrevocably. We were always a relatively tolerant and moderate nation, and I fear what is happening. All this partly explains current polling numbers. Elections in the UK are typically won from the centre, the Tories are currently having their version of the Corbyn era. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 9, 2023 11:34:10 GMT
You would then be in favour of the proposed EDL march being allowed? No I would not The EDL are a far right organisation of whom THE MAJORITY of its followers have extremist, racist views, and everywhere they went ( usually in areas with high Muslim populations ), they caused trouble, violence, vandalism and hatred. For what possible reason would the EDL want to march for ? .... other than as a provocation There are reasons why the EDL formed and the first of those reasons is Anjem Choudary. He and his far right Islamist mates caused the problem in the first place. Who can forget the scenes of froth mouthed Islamofascists protesting at Wootton Bassett? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/outrage-at-wootton-bassett-protest-1857756.htmlAdditionally, Islamists bombed the tube in 2005. Islamists groomed and raped kids. It wasn't until 2016 that Anjem Choudary was rightfully sent to prison and he was released after two years!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 11:36:11 GMT
DEFINITION OF WORDS
"Armistice" ...... a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, as it may constitute only a cessation of hostilities while an attempt is made to negotiate a lasting peace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 11:46:52 GMT
Vinny .... The catalyst for the creation of the EDL was a small group of Islamist extremists who shouted insults and obscenities at a parade of returning soldiers of the Anglian Regiment, quite a few years ago somewhere in the Midlands, the place I cannot remember.
The point is that those extremists did not represent the views of most Muslims, just the same as the EDL do not represent the views of most "English" or "British" people of whichever faith.
Some people hold extreme views, most people do not - Some people are ignorant, like for example those Islamists who once burnt poppies, I would love to show those idiots the many V.C s won by Muslim soldiers fighting for this country in two world wars, or to take them to one of many Commonwealth War Grave cemetaries to show them the rows of Muslim grave stones.
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Post by Orac on Nov 9, 2023 11:59:45 GMT
But this has been covered before. Inadvertent collateral damage is not morally the same as setting out to target people in such a way. ....or, it isn't usually considered as such. Tell me, do you only employ this bizarre equivalence in this particular case or do you consider much of the UK's efforts against the Nazis to be also serial killer type criminality? If Hamas were hiding amongst Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv do you think that the IDF would be using the same tactics they are currently using in Gaza? The same tactics wouldn't be requited because the people of Tel Aviv wouldn't allow Hamas bunkers to be built under their schools and hospitals. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 9, 2023 12:01:41 GMT
You would then be in favour of the proposed EDL march being allowed? No I would not My point made I think. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 9, 2023 12:07:34 GMT
We are being granted a little window into what UK politics would be like if the populists gained control of the Tory party after the next election. As sadly so often we are in danger of following the example of the USA - seeking power by ramping up division anger and fear. Pretty shameful stuff.
Still waiting for Sunak to show some cojones and sack this woman. Anonymous No10 briefings of disapproval nowhere near enough.
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Post by Orac on Nov 9, 2023 12:17:06 GMT
Again, according to the left - division and anger is caused by someone disagreeing with them
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 9, 2023 12:19:40 GMT
If Hamas were hiding amongst Israeli civilians in Tel Aviv do you think that the IDF would be using the same tactics they are currently using in Gaza? The same tactics wouldn't be requited because the people of Tel Aviv wouldn't allow Hamas bunkers to be built under their schools and hospitals. Did the people of Gaza have a choice? |
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Post by Orac on Nov 9, 2023 12:22:31 GMT
The same tactics wouldn't be requited because the people of Tel Aviv wouldn't allow Hamas bunkers to be built under their schools and hospitals. Did the people of Gaza have a choice? Of course. Hamas isn't capable enough to be able to enforce rule over a substantially unwilling population of that size. |
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