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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 15:24:31 GMT
I'm fully aware of our history, Thomas. Perhaps you could address the point as to why your nationalism revolves around the ugly anti-English mentality and chronic victimhood instead?
I've spoken to many English people who are very patriotic toward England. When they speak of England, Scotland or the Scottish are rarely mentioned. It's a postive view of England from English people with a hedonistic view toward life. I found it pleasant and uplifting.
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 15:24:50 GMT
and all these centuries after it was written as true today about our pet house jocks as it was in burns time.
I mind an irish guy i know telling me the greatness of the english elite wasnt in the power of their military , or agileness of mind in war , but in the fact they were unfailingly able to pick out scots and irish who could be bought to betray their country.
Love tam o shanter as well.
Who do you think is being bought to betray Scotland now? burns poem applies to most unionist politicians . You only have to look at the housejocks of both labour and tory and the buying off for theri services to the union like alistair darling , former labour chancellor and scottish republican would you believe who now sits amongs many others house jocks in the english house of lords wearing the ermine he once hated. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 15:28:14 GMT
I'm fully aware of our history, Thomas. Perhaps you could address the point as to why your nationalism revolves around the ugly anti-English mentality and chronic victimhood instead? I've spoken to many English people who are very patriotic toward England. When they speak of England, Scotland or the Scottish are rarely mentioned. It's a postive view of England from English people with a hedonistic view toward life. I found it pleasant and uplifting. you arent aware of my countires history , never mind your own by the look of it.
it doesnt . Its all in your head. Some scots are of course anti english , some english anti scottish , but the majority are not. Conflating anti establishment and anti westmisnter politicians with hatred of the ordianry english people is yet another fantasy in your infantile mind.
good for you. So my question is why do you , and english person , spend an incredible amount of time on scottish political threads wailing about the union if you dont care about scotland ? Worry about your own country ,and let us do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 15:40:25 GMT
I don't require somebody like you to tell me of what I'm aware of or not. You're unqualified to make such a judgement, so I will dismiss it as lying, considering there's no basis for such a claim.
I am of course relying on the evidence that you can barely even mention Scotland without some sort of anti-Englishness and victimhood attached. When compared with English nationalism, where I had the pleasure of meeting intelligent and polite people (I'm not talking football here), I felt like I was right at home and was genuinely interested in learning more about my roots. I couldn't handle Scottish natinalism today. It's too miserable, bitter and hateful. A real negative that only stokes up division and destruction.
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 15:46:46 GMT
I don't require somebody like you to tell me of what I'm aware of or not. You're unqualified to make such a judgement, so I will dismiss it as lying, considering there's no basis for such a claim. I am of course relying on the evidence that you can barely even mention Scotland without some sort of anti-Englishness and victimhood attached. When compared with English nationalism, where I had the pleasure of meeting intelligent and polite people (I'm not talking football here), I felt like I was right at home and was genuinely interested in learning more about my roots. I couldn't handle Scottish natinalism today. It's too miserable, bitter and hateful. A real negative that only stokes up division and destruction. lmfao.
mere drivel.
ive qualified my position , and what i beleieve most scots position is on your anti english waffle many times. Why dont you start a belating hearts thread on it instead of trolling my rabbie burns thread with yet more victimhood?
FFS. Let me take wild stab i nthe dark here and ask ....could it be becuase you are english you feel at home among your own kinds nationalism? Well fuck me.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 2, 2023 15:52:08 GMT
Who do you think is being bought to betray Scotland now? burns poem applies to most unionist politicians . You only have to look at the housejocks of both labour and tory and the buying off for theri services to the union like alistair darling , former labour chancellor and scottish republican would you believe who now sits amongs many others house jocks in the english house of lords wearing the ermine he once hated. Sadly, far too many politicians everywhere seem to put self interest first nowadays. It's more about expanding their own power, advancing their careers and lining their own pockets than doing what is good for the country. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 15:54:35 GMT
I'd rather not **** you, Thomas. You would only write a poem about it and bore people to tears for many years to come. Sadly, it would seem that you lack the intellectual prowess to appreciate my post, which is why you lack the abilty to present me with a calm and rational response. That's OK, because your behaviour speaks volumes and does give credit to my posts.
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 15:55:48 GMT
burns poem applies to most unionist politicians . You only have to look at the housejocks of both labour and tory and the buying off for theri services to the union like alistair darling , former labour chancellor and scottish republican would you believe who now sits amongs many others house jocks in the english house of lords wearing the ermine he once hated. Sadly, far too many politicians everywhere seem to put self interest first nowadays. It's more about expanding their own power, advancing their careers and lining their own pockets than doing what is good for the country. Darling is one of many cases in point though ripley. How can you be a member of a scottish republican movement , dedicated to getting rid fo the monarchy and lords , marching your way through the streets of scotland in protest , then throw these dearly held morals in the bin to become a vermin in ermin?
That takes something special.
Seems in centuries , not a lot has changed from burns day in scotland regarding the parcel of rogues.
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 15:57:43 GMT
I'd rather not **** you, Thomas. You would only write a poem about it and bore people to tears for many years to come. Sadly, it would seem that you lack the intellectual prowess to appreciate my post, which is why you lack the abilty to present me with a calm and rational response. That's OK, because your behaviour speaks volumes and does give credit to my posts. im not a poet b4. So no i wouldnt write a poem.
ive numermous times presented you with a calm response to your never ending victimhood , but to no avail. A new post , another thread , and someone some where in b4s warped universe is victimising you.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 2, 2023 16:48:09 GMT
Sadly, far too many politicians everywhere seem to put self interest first nowadays. It's more about expanding their own power, advancing their careers and lining their own pockets than doing what is good for the country. Darling is one of many cases in point though ripley. How can you be a member of a scottish republican movement , dedicated to getting rid fo the monarchy and lords , marching your way through the streets of scotland in protest , then throw these dearly held morals in the bin to become a vermin in ermin?
That takes something special.
Seems in centuries , not a lot has changed from burns day in scotland regarding the parcel of rogues.
I don't disagree with you, but since such behaviour is carried over from the past and still persists, it seems it will be with us in the foreseeable future. The challenge is to not let it get in the way of the work of asserting independence, if that's what a majority of Scots want. Several posters will be along shortly to insist that it isn't what the majority want, but how can that be determined without a referendum? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 16:55:29 GMT
Darling is one of many cases in point though ripley. How can you be a member of a scottish republican movement , dedicated to getting rid fo the monarchy and lords , marching your way through the streets of scotland in protest , then throw these dearly held morals in the bin to become a vermin in ermin?
That takes something special.
Seems in centuries , not a lot has changed from burns day in scotland regarding the parcel of rogues.
I don't disagree with you, but since such behaviour is carried over from the past and still persists, it seems it will be with us in the foreseeable future. The challenge is to not let it get in the way of the work of asserting independence, if that's what a majority of Scots want. Several posters will be along shortly to insist that it isn't what the majority want, but how can that be determined without a referendum? i dont think there will be another referendum now ripley. I think after the brexit vote in 2016 , where the uk elite got their fingers badly burned ,they wont make that mistake again.
Its clear now , its going to be done through an election , and a declaration of independence.
At the moment though , that doesnt seem likely in the near future unless Alba get their act together. The snp currently are facing oblivion.
I agree with the rest of your post , but as someone interested in history , its often incredible how hisotry repeats itself, and the behaviour of elites and their tools like darling remain the same . How we combat it , i dont know.
I think though with the way the uk government and media are panicking , and lashingout , its clear internal polling shows a large body of scots want out their union and their only strategy is to try and stave off the inevitable and wait for a change in the wind.
The root causes remain the same , and the big question what exactly is the point of the uk in the 21 st century? Its clear it doesnt serve anyone but the london elite.
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Post by Ripley on Nov 2, 2023 17:39:18 GMT
I don't disagree with you, but since such behaviour is carried over from the past and still persists, it seems it will be with us in the foreseeable future. The challenge is to not let it get in the way of the work of asserting independence, if that's what a majority of Scots want. Several posters will be along shortly to insist that it isn't what the majority want, but how can that be determined without a referendum? i dont think there will be another referendum now ripley. I think after the brexit vote in 2016 , where the uk elite got their fingers badly burned ,they wont make that mistake again.
Its clear now , its going to be done through an election , and a declaration of independence.
At the moment though , that doesnt seem likely in the near future unless Alba get their act together. The snp currently are facing oblivion.
I agree with the rest of your post , but as someone interested in history , its often incredible how hisotry repeats itself, and the behaviour of elites and their tools like darling remain the same . How we combat it , i dont know.
I think though with the way the uk government and media are panicking , and lashingout , its clear internal polling shows a large body of scots want out their union and their only strategy is to try and stave off the inevitable and wait for a change in the wind.
The root causes remain the same , and the big question what exactly is the point of the uk in the 21 st century? Its clear it doesnt serve anyone but the london elite.
Since independence was the SNP platform, they could have claimed their political wins were a de facto mandate for independence, but didn't, at least not to the point of declaring independence. Westminster's various ways of tightening the screws does seem to suggest a certain nervousness about Scottish independence. That's why fervent lackey Alister Jack bypasses Holyrood at every opportunity and says that ScotGov is trying to undermine devolution, and that the "devolve and forget" era is dead. It's why Sunak wants to drain Scotland's oil as fast as possible, and why he won't allow the devolved areas to send representatives to the AI summit, and so on. Waiting for a change in the wind is not a winning strategy. Power isn't something you ask for; it's something you take. Independence won't be given. It will have to be asserted. I think independence is inevitable, regardless of what happens in N.I. and Wales, as the elderly pass on and young independence-minded Scots reach voting age. It's just a matter of time. |
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Post by om15 on Nov 2, 2023 18:28:30 GMT
Tommo, I'm sure that your Muslim First Minister will bolster his position once his 2,000,000 guests arrive in Scotland, one result will be that Rabby Burns will be submerged by the writings of Al-Mutanabbi, (thank goodness).
I wonder what your Hamas visitors will think of haggis, perhaps you will be celebrating with sheeps eyes next year, let us know.
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