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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2023 6:57:04 GMT
Lets face it if there were another referendum and the results were thus: 17,410,742 voted to stay out and 17,410,743 voted to go back in, remoaners would use that ONE vote as enough to justify going back in. Yet they demand a super-majority when things don't go their way. It was Farage who said a 52-48 vote for remain would be "unfinished business". Why was that statement acceptable? Acceptable to who - Farage was nothing to do with the Government, or Parliament for that matter. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2023 6:59:46 GMT
You were given a voice but lost a referendum but have ever since shown a bitterness towards those who won a referendum, which now it has been basically overturned by dodgy politics and stealth you are still not happy. If the boot was on the other foot, I wonder how you would react? That almost makes the argument that a supermajority is a reasonable idea. OK - from now on all referendums in future have to have a super-majority. Kills off any chance of Scottish Independence, reunification in Ireland and rejoining the EU - everyone is happy..  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 26, 2023 7:02:18 GMT
That almost makes the argument that a supermajority is a reasonable idea. OK - from now on all referendums in future have to have a super-majority. Kills off any chance of Scottish Independence, reunification in Ireland and rejoining the EU - everyone is happy.. Indeed, I think that's exactly the point I was making in response to RR above. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2023 7:23:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 8:13:02 GMT
I think there is a case for a good majority. Having seen the turmoil of the 2016 referendum which had a 52/48 majority it shows the divisions in society which can be raised. The problem is, when voting for a change, why should the 48% get their way to stay the same if 52% want it? 60-40 is a bit high. A majority of 1 seems a bit low. 51-49 would do. What do the Swiss do, they're always having referendums, aren't they? The electorate in this country is to easily persuaded and can change opinions dramatically depending on varying circumstances. I have no doubt that many of the lies during the referendum were accepted as true. I equally believe that many who voted were too busy getting on with their lives to do any research on what was involved. For me, I prefer the representative democracy with all its fault to the whims of the ill informed. So do the UK a favour and ban referendum.
The population of Switzerland is less than 9M. Would we need a referendum to ban referendums? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 26, 2023 9:12:10 GMT
The Remoaners are knackered, they can't think of anything that we miss about the EU to convince people Brexit was bad.
All signs are pointing to the up ^^ and up ^^.
The EU is falling apart, and the cosy little set up with France and Germany is over since Merkel left, they are running out of money, their migrant problem is clearly spilling over onto us, there is nothing doing well in the EU, except for the EU elite and their bank accounts, it's mind blowing why anyone now in the UK would even give a second thought to rejoining that dead loss.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 26, 2023 9:31:38 GMT
One wonders if Steve Baker is saying this to ingratiate himself with the N.I electorate following his new ministerial post.
If he feels their grievances have merit let him propose a referendum for N.I to leave the UK, and Steve what winning margin would you suggest there?
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 26, 2023 10:09:49 GMT
One wonders if Steve Baker is saying this to ingratiate himself with the N.I electorate following his new ministerial post. If he feels their grievances have merit let him propose a referendum for N.I to leave the UK, and Steve what winning margin would you suggest there? Yep, everyone on this thread is commenting on Brexit, but of course his immediate concern is NI. The chances of a Irish referendum are higher than either that of a Scottish independence or an EU rejoin. I think that the government are trying to make offerings to the DUP to get them back into Stormont. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 26, 2023 10:14:51 GMT
One wonders if Steve Baker is saying this to ingratiate himself with the N.I electorate following his new ministerial post. If he feels their grievances have merit let him propose a referendum for N.I to leave the UK, and Steve what winning margin would you suggest there? Yep, everyone on this thread is commenting on Brexit, but of course his immediate concern is NI. The chances of a Irish referendum are higher than either that of a Scottish independence or an EU rejoin. I think that the government are trying to make offerings to the DUP to get them back into Stormont. So short term politics trying to get Starmer over the line next year? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 10:15:49 GMT
One wonders if Steve Baker is saying this to ingratiate himself with the N.I electorate following his new ministerial post. If he feels their grievances have merit let him propose a referendum for N.I to leave the UK, and Steve what winning margin would you suggest there? Yep, everyone on this thread is commenting on Brexit, but of course his immediate concern is NI. The chances of a Irish referendum are higher than either that of a Scottish independence or an EU rejoin. I think that the government are trying to make offerings to the DUP to get them back into Stormont. Then stick to the current system. If you want them to leave then try not to focus on how the republic and how its booming economy is run, and also try and avoid the anti-English bigotry which the Scottish fascists rely on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2023 10:41:55 GMT
The problem with a referendum result such as the 2016 referendum, is that the margin of LEAVE versus REMAIN was so close that it was always susceptible to change withing weeks or months. A referendum is like a photograph, it is merely a Snapshot of public opinion on one particular day, and the same referendum would have produced a different margin of LEAVE or REMAIN a week later. This is what has happened - There has now been over one hundred opinion polls published, with all showing a majority of British people would now vote REMAIN - the last time any poll showed a small LEAVE lead was in April 2022. We are now in a situation where most people want to be in the EU, and the referendum with its 3.8% LEAVE margin over REMAIN is obsolete, and no longer reflects public opinion.
So what? - I'm sure that the 2019 General Election does not reflect current Public Opinion. What is gained by continually trying to re-run past elections?. We had a vote - people voted to leave - we left - end of. If you want to have a vote to rejoin the EU nobody is stopping you but continually droning on about a decision that was made 7 years ago is pointless. Well yes, but thats the point though .... We CAN change the decision of the 2019 general election if enough people change their minds. In effect, this is a really good argument for having a "Super Majority" in referendums, so that there's no question of revisiting the question within at least a lifetime. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2023 10:53:23 GMT
So what? - I'm sure that the 2019 General Election does not reflect current Public Opinion. What is gained by continually trying to re-run past elections?. We had a vote - people voted to leave - we left - end of. If you want to have a vote to rejoin the EU nobody is stopping you but continually droning on about a decision that was made 7 years ago is pointless. Well yes, but thats the point though .... We CAN change the decision of the 2019 general election if enough people change their minds. In effect, this is a really good argument for having a "Super Majority" in referendums, so that there's no question of revisiting the question within at least a lifetime. If 55% of the people in NI (or Scotland) voted in favour of leaving the Union how sustainable do you think it would be if Westminster then said no that is not enough? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 26, 2023 11:01:42 GMT
It would have been over had we lost, irrespective of him. He'd have been the spent force told to get over it. He was not and will never be Prime Minister. You can say that now. But, back in 2016, I think he and the other leading xenophobes would have stirred the Brexiters up so much that a legal challenge would have came about. Hahahaha!!! Xenophobes? Let me get this straight, you're calling an advocate of points based immigration (based on skills, not ethnicity), a xenophobe whilst simultaneously supporting the most xenophobic movement in the whole of Britain! You want immigration based on passport rather than ability. And you resent the English. Of all the people here, you are one of the least qualified to call anyone a xenophobe. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 26, 2023 12:53:22 GMT
You can say that now. But, back in 2016, I think he and the other leading xenophobes would have stirred the Brexiters up so much that a legal challenge would have came about. Hahahaha!!! Xenophobes? Let me get this straight, you're calling an advocate of points based immigration (based on skills, not ethnicity), a xenophobe whilst simultaneously supporting the most xenophobic movement in the whole of Britain! You want immigration based on passport rather than ability. And you resent the English. Of all the people here, you are one of the least qualified to call anyone a xenophobe. And you my friend don't know what you are talking about. You have been asked many times on here, and the previous forum, to provide evidence of this supposed Nationalist xenophobia. You have singularly failed to come up with anything. So, try again. As for Brexit, the whole thing was anti EU because the English, used to getting their own way all of the time, in the disunited kingdom, couldn't hack it when they found they fond they were in a more egalitarian organisation. The rubbish spouted about Turkey joining - what was that if not xenophobic nonsense? |
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Post by puckfutin on Oct 26, 2023 12:55:02 GMT
Steve Baker, the so called hard man of Brexit, says he regrets that the Brexit referendum didn't require a supermajority of 60-40, as the close result split the country and made political progress difficult. He would like to see a 60-40 if a United Ireland referendum ever takes place. Should referenda require a supermajority? Steve baker the well known anti democrat. A majority of just one is a win. But he and many others think different. |
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