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Post by wapentake on Oct 22, 2023 21:21:54 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 24, 2023 20:02:12 GMT
It ISN'T extraordinary though. It happens too often. Waits in ambulances of over 12 hours are regular occurrences. Welsh hospitals don't have the staff or the bed space. Last month they started my IV treatment in the bloody waiting room, they had no option, i’d have risked septicaemia otherwise.
People die on trollies waiting to be seen all the time.
Such is the NHS under a LABOUR administration that has been unchallenged for a quarter of a century
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 21:20:38 GMT
It ISN'T extraordinary though. It happens too often. Waits in ambulances of over 12 hours are regular occurrences. Welsh hospitals don't have the staff or the bed space. Last month they started my IV treatment in the bloody waiting room, they had no option, i’d have risked septicaemia otherwise. People die on trollies waiting to be seen all the time. Such is the NHS under a LABOUR administration that has been unchallenged for a quarter of a century I was at Medway Maritime Hospital a week ago and they had posters up with pictures of Nye Bevan quoting him about us all sharing the cost of our afflictions. They are obviously proud of their socialist part of history. I doubt Nye Bevan would be very impressed with what is now in Cardiff. He'd also not be impressed with the 7 million waiting list we have engineered. And don't mention the excess deaths. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2023 23:11:06 GMT
It happens in England too
We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government next year
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 25, 2023 2:13:37 GMT
It happens in England too We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government next year you really need to be deported to somewhere like Blaenau Ffestiniog so you can feel the full impact of twenty five years of unbridled Corbynist Marxism. Best not get ill there though. Betsi Cadwallader would be ashamed of what is done in her name |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2023 2:45:51 GMT
It happens in England too We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government next year Incredible. You're reading a post about the tragic state of Labour run Welsh NHS services, and your contribution is... ... 'We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government'. Remarkable. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 10:26:20 GMT
The way in which posters rabbit on about Wales, you would think that the NHS in England was somewhere near perfect.
This is deflection posting, deflecting from very real, and very serious issues in the NHS all across the UK, including in England.
Waiting lists at record levels, which were rising long before we had heard of Covid, and they continue to rise, deplorable ambulance response times ( in England ), it is normal to wait weeks to see a GP, children who need URGENT appointments in mental health waiting MONTHS.
I do not live in Wales, I live in England, and I have seen with my own eyes how the NHS immediately started to deteriorate from 2010 when the Conservative led coalition came to power, and it continues to deteriorate. Staff have left because of the Tory imposed pay freezes, and years of below inflation pay rises, and because the government have worsened terms and conditions.
If Starmer does becomes PM next year, it will be a re-run of 1997 when Blair rescued the NHS, turned it around, and made massive improvements, except this time it will be harder due to fiscal constraints.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2023 10:30:27 GMT
It happens in England too We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government next year Incredible. You're reading a post about the tragic state of Labour run Welsh NHS services, and your contribution is... ... 'We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government'. Remarkable. He's probably related to Red Rum. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 25, 2023 13:29:07 GMT
The way in which posters rabbit on about Wales, you would think that the NHS in England was somewhere near perfect. This is deflection posting, deflecting from very real, and very serious issues in the NHS all across the UK, including in England. Waiting lists at record levels, which were rising long before we had heard of Covid, and they continue to rise, deplorable ambulance response times ( in England ), it is normal to wait weeks to see a GP, children who need URGENT appointments in mental health waiting MONTHS. I do not live in Wales, I live in England, and I have seen with my own eyes how the NHS immediately started to deteriorate from 2010 when the Conservative led coalition came to power, and it continues to deteriorate. Staff have left because of the Tory imposed pay freezes, and years of below inflation pay rises, and because the government have worsened terms and conditions. If Starmer does becomes PM next year, it will be a re-run of 1997 when Blair rescued the NHS, turned it around, and made massive improvements, except this time it will be harder due to fiscal constraints. as i have repeatedly pointed out, at NO point since Blair split the country into four fiefdoms do as to better destroy it, has the Devolved NHS in Wales had a single measurement, Key performance Indicator or any such like BETTER than its English counterpart. In the matter of ambulance turnout it is a fact the only way the fuckwits in the bay could deal with year on year decline in ambulance callout standards was to burn the standards and invent new ones that allowed the ambulance service to become a flourescent yellow and green collector if tbe dead. Your observations in regard to falling standards in England is noted I do not dispute it You are still ahead of Wales which has simply tanked harder. Welsh Labour consistently blame their failure to perform on a lack of westminster investment That might have merit were it not the same tune Rhodri Morgan used to berate Tony Blair….. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 26, 2023 12:57:42 GMT
I found the part interesting,
Plaid Cymru spokesman for health and care, Mabon ap Gwynfor, described the NHS in Wales as being in "a vicious circle".
He added: "Ambulances are queuing because of insufficient beds and there aren't enough beds because of a failure to provide long-promised community and social care."
He said this was coupled with hospital bed closures and a shortage of more than 2,700 nurses.
I think down our way patients (singles) go into homes and the estate proceeds compensate the council when they die.
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Post by borchester on Oct 27, 2023 22:42:07 GMT
It is because they are Welsh.
Lovely people, but they will put up with anything.The forecourt of the Royal Infirmary can be shoulder high with the dead and dying, but all the staff need do is blame the delays on the Tories and the closure of the pits and the Taffs will smile through their pain and burst into a rendition of Myfanwy
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 27, 2023 23:54:00 GMT
Incredible. You're reading a post about the tragic state of Labour run Welsh NHS services, and your contribution is... ... 'We must ensure that we get rid of the Conservative government'. Remarkable. He's probably related to Red Rum. Or see2, possibly. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 20:19:49 GMT
He's probably related to Red Rum. Or see2, possibly. I wouldn't know. He's been on my ignore list since forever. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 29, 2023 10:49:19 GMT
The way in which posters rabbit on about Wales, you would think that the NHS in England was somewhere near perfect. This is deflection posting, deflecting from very real, and very serious issues in the NHS all across the UK, including in England. Waiting lists at record levels, which were rising long before we had heard of Covid, and they continue to rise, deplorable ambulance response times ( in England ), it is normal to wait weeks to see a GP, children who need URGENT appointments in mental health waiting MONTHS. I do not live in Wales, I live in England, and I have seen with my own eyes how the NHS immediately started to deteriorate from 2010 when the Conservative led coalition came to power, and it continues to deteriorate. Staff have left because of the Tory imposed pay freezes, and years of below inflation pay rises, and because the government have worsened terms and conditions. If Starmer does becomes PM next year, it will be a re-run of 1997 when Blair rescued the NHS, turned it around, and made massive improvements, except this time it will be harder due to fiscal constraints. as i have repeatedly pointed out, at NO point since Blair split the country into four fiefdoms do as to better destroy it, has the Devolved NHS in Wales had a single measurement, Key performance Indicator or any such like BETTER than its English counterpart. In the matter of ambulance turnout it is a fact the only way the fuckwits in the bay could deal with year on year decline in ambulance callout standards was to burn the standards and invent new ones that allowed the ambulance service to become a flourescent yellow and green collector if tbe dead. Your observations in regard to falling standards in England is noted I do not dispute it You are still ahead of Wales which has simply tanked harder. Welsh Labour consistently blame their failure to perform on a lack of westminster investment That might have merit were it not the same tune Rhodri Morgan used to berate Tony Blair….. well said john. No one is suggesting scotland , england or any other countires health service is perfect , even the french , who regularly come out top of the WHO league tables for health service.
The point is , as you say ,since the advent of devolution in 1999 , some 24 years ago , the labour run welsh nhs has been consistently worse than any of its uk counterparts in Scotland and England .
The evidence of Labour’s competence levels in the one UK nation where it IS in control suggests that the reality isn’t just the opposite of that, but the opposite on a truly gargantuan scale.
For so long as Welsh Labour exist, they’ll be a constant source of embarrassment to their Scottish (and english) cousins, and to anyone gullible enough to take their claims seriously.
in order to compare, we could look at the solitary area of the UK where Labour is in charge of the NHS: Wales (population 3.1 million). And by a fortuitous happenstance, the Welsh NHS has also just published its A&E waiting-time stats.
The Welsh figure for treatment within four hours was 84%, more than 10% below Scotland’s.
OPINION: Labour are breaking all the wrong records on NHS in Wales
Welsh NHS has worst waiting times in UK for life-saving diagnostic tests
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Welsh NHS experiences second worst wait times on record
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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2023 11:06:30 GMT
I wouldn't know. He's been on my ignore list since forever. Your personal choice of course but I’ve never seen the point of the ignore function,you can miss stuff and if you want to ignore another poster do so based on what you see before you. |
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