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Post by sandypine on Oct 16, 2023 19:52:00 GMT
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 17, 2023 12:24:02 GMT
Just a normal crappy British summer then
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Post by sandypine on Oct 17, 2023 13:40:46 GMT
This is satellite data and buoys. "This raw data is analyzed using methods that account for the varied spacing of temperature stations around the globe and for urban heating effects that could skew the calculations. The analysis calculates temperature anomalies rather than absolute temperature. A temperature anomaly shows how far the temperature has departed from the 1951 to 1980 base average." They also fail to mention that they correct the satellite surface data to take account of the fact that the historic record is air temperature near the ground and they are recording surface temperature. So corrected for difference in measurement methods, corrected for varied spacing of global temeprature stations and corrected for Urban Heat Island effect. To pile correction upon correction they report the 'record heat' as anomalies not as actual temperatures. Even now there is a pause in the warming trend of almost a decade yet CO2 has been pumped out relentlessly.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2023 17:11:18 GMT
Can I remind you this is 'Mind Zone' and especially rule 2 - '-Avoid mocking/joking responses / images / one liners.'
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Post by sandypine on Oct 17, 2023 17:30:33 GMT
Can I remind you this is 'Mind Zone' and especially rule 2 - '-Avoid mocking/joking responses / images / one liners.' I am afraid it is now par for the course for alarmists to attack the messenger because more and more the message of alarm is becoming shakier as more info is gained.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 17, 2023 19:15:33 GMT
You are equating a mathematical rule that actually works with a much corrected value that is at best uncertain and at worst pretty wide of the mark. There are always levels of uncertainty even if one believes that the values and conclusions are presented with the best of intents, that is becoming doubtful. I'm equating NASA and the NOAA with some dude on the internet who thinks he knows better. Apologies if I'm not taking you seriously enough and it hurts your feelings but the time for debating whether it's happening or not is over. It's just wasting time. The problem is that 'some dude' on the internet is using the data supplied by NASA and the NOAA. 'Some Dude' on the internet actually pulled them up on their Urban Heat Island problems as regards indicating an excessive warming effect and in order to fix what 'some dude' on teh internet said the NOAA organised the US Surface Climate reference network (USCRN) which used pristine stations across the US in order to negate any effects of the UHI effect. So these results supplied by the NOAA and using their USCRN results indicates that in the US there has been no discernible warming since the Network was set up in 2005. This does not tie in with the hottest summer yet scenario. You do not have to apologise. The results speak for themselves and the tragedy is the religious like fervour with which adherents ignore and belittle all that upsets their belief system.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 17, 2023 19:37:41 GMT
Just to add more background I caught a few minutes of any questions on Saturday and some young lady was complaining how floods are becoming worse, storms are becoming worse and sea levels are rising dramatically. The problem she has is that all the official data for floods, storms and sea level rise do not indicate this at all. Yet many people believe it is fact despite the IPCC and the NOAA agreeing that there is no evidence to back up the claim that storms are becoming worse. Sea level rises are at best minimal and no where near the disaster levels once predicted as likely. They also accelerate and deaccelerate in stages, so an acceleration recently is not at odds with the trend which may be followed by deacceleration as happened a couple of times last century. There is too much dishonesty and alarmism at work in the climate change lobby by using selected data.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 19:40:51 GMT
Where I live in South East England, this summer was definitely cooler than last year. The spring was downright cold with a North Easterly wind which hardly relented. I don't see anything greatly abnormal apart from the usual seasonal variations. I've studied weather and the skies for 60 years. There seems a tendency for less snow in the winter.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 18, 2023 8:21:38 GMT
The problem with our weather data is that a) it only goes back to 1850 and b) over that period of time the way we measure data has changed so much.
And the problem with trying to compare historical data with new data is that the various climate change organisations have to adjust the data for the different methods of measurement and the changing environment of the weather stations (I.e. with regard to UHIs etc). And they've always used this process to get the results that they want.
I think it's pretty obvious that they've underestimated the UHI effect and they've used dodgy smoothing algorithms to eliminate readings that "don't fit" what their models say. And it seems more people are beginning to realise this.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 18, 2023 10:31:03 GMT
Just to add more background I caught a fewminutes of any questions on Saturday and some young lady was complaining how floods are becoming worse, storms are becoming worse and sea levels are rising dramatically. The problem she has is that all the official data for floods, storms and sea level rise do not indicate this at all. Yet many people believe it is fact despite the IPCC and the NOAA agreeing that there is no evidence to back up the claim that storms are becoming worse. Sea level rises are at best minimal and no where near the disaster levels once predicted as likely. They also accelerate and deaccelerate in stages, so an acceleration recently is not at odds with the trend which may be followed by deacceleration as happened a couple of times last century. There is too much dishonesty and alarmism at work in the climate change lobby by using selected data. Worth noting that much photographic evidence being peddled as “rise in sea levels”/“flooding hysteria” is down to stupid humans building on traditional flood belt lands, reclaimed land … and not recognising there are large tectonic plate shifts on this Earth …., land slip and heave …. caused by earthquakes along fault lines readjusting … and pressures being eased. As the Indian tsunami of 2004 demonstrated … the plate thrust was upwards of 20 metres. Note with the 1964 Alaskan Tsunami … splay fault fracturing can lead to greater deformation of land masses. …. all factors nothing to do with burning fossil fuels.🙄🤔
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