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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2024 21:43:42 GMT
Yes warmer air more moisture= more rain. I am not getting dragged into yet another of your prolonged rants on a subject you know jack shit about zany..Do your trolling elsewhere...And stick to the subject.. no one asked you to.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 22, 2024 21:55:14 GMT
Battle for Growth and Ecology - Future of Tesla's Gigafactory in Limbo as Grünheide Votes 'No'"..... The future of the Tesla Gigafactory expansion in Grünheide is in limbo after citizens voted predominantly against its expansion in a public survey. This event represents a potentially pivotal moment for the further development of the factory and the region. The residents of Grünheide have cast their votes and spoken out against the expansion plans of the American electric car manufacturer Tesla. Of the total of 7,600 eligible voters, 3,499 voted against an extension of the factory premises, while 1,882 supported the project. The high voter turnout of over 70 percent underscores the relevance of the issue to the community.....
This will be music to the ears of Emanuel Macron who has been wooing Tesla to start up production in France. As they say it's an ill wind that blows no one any good.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 23, 2024 7:52:25 GMT
There is SOMETIMES a correlation between CO2 concentrations and temperature. But to prove your theory (that CO2 causes that warming) you have to show causation too. As always Correlation AND causation is needed. The example of the Vostok ice cores is a good one because we've got a very simple system with the Sun and CO2 and we can see the temperature fluctuating as the two vary. However the CO2 is a passive partner here. The Sun does the warming and, because of this warming, CO2 comes out of solution in the ocean. The CO2 plays no part in the warming. This is a nice example because it's a situation (on Earth) where there are very few factors at play. It's a "control" experiment. The trouble with attempting to deal with the average global temperature is that you bring all the hundreds of factors on Earth into play. In this case unless you can evaluate the separate contribution of each factor it's very difficult to draw any conclusions about the individual attribution of each factor. That's why scientists always try to find simple systems. And here we have shown that CO2 doesn't cause warming - it simply follows the temperature. Is this simple enough? We already agreed that Co2 causes warming, we know that Co2 alongside other gases keep a percentage of the suns heat in the immediate atmosphere and that for hundreds of thousands of years that balance has kept Earths average temperature at 16 degrees. So we KNOW Co2 causes warming, its a fact. (Causation) Correlation in this case is just the observation of that fact. We see Co2 increase, we see temperature increase, we know Co2 traps heat in the atmosphere. It doesn't matter that there are other factors effecting the amount of warming to some small degree, none of that changes the principle. But more importantly all those effects are tiny compared to the trillions of joules needed to raise earths temperature by 1.5 degrees, they are so tiny they can be ignored. Finally, your argument that unless you can identify every component no matter how small and give it a value that you cannot prove the case is ridiculous and no scientist ever does that.You can happily say brakes stop a vehicle without having to prove there are no other tiny influences involved. That's because the overriding factor is the brakes and even though the passengers leaning forward may have had an effect on the vehicles speed its still the brakes that did the stopping. Everything in this post is wrong zany. Your "facts" are just assumptions for which you have no proof. And "attribution" - where scientists identify all the factors and measure their contribution - is most certainly done. If you have a system which is affected by many factors it's essential to try to measure the contribution of each one before you can draw any definite conclusions. Until you've done this you can't say that any one factor is the predominant one. As I said there is no correlation between CO2 and temperature (except those that occur by manipulation of data) and no proof even that CO2 causes warming at the kind of trace concentrations that we currently have. And that's a FACT - and you haven't found any evidence whatsoever to the contrary.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2024 8:26:50 GMT
Mercedes yet another manufacturer rowing back on their EV ambitions.
The boss of German car giant Mercedes-Benz has said it will make petrol cars “well into the 2030s” as it watered down its targets for electric vehicle (EV) sales.
Ola Källenius, the group’s chief executive, said the era when EVs would cost the same as an equivalent petrol car was still “many years away”.
Mercedes had previously promised that its whole car line-up would be battery powered by 2030.
Car giants including Ford, Toyota and Volkswagen have all trimmed their expectations for electric sales in recent months.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 23, 2024 8:33:03 GMT
2035 would be well into the 2030s, right?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 23, 2024 8:36:32 GMT
yes - it's after 2030.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2024 19:17:08 GMT
We already agreed that Co2 causes warming, we know that Co2 alongside other gases keep a percentage of the suns heat in the immediate atmosphere and that for hundreds of thousands of years that balance has kept Earths average temperature at 16 degrees. So we KNOW Co2 causes warming, its a fact. (Causation) Correlation in this case is just the observation of that fact. We see Co2 increase, we see temperature increase, we know Co2 traps heat in the atmosphere. It doesn't matter that there are other factors effecting the amount of warming to some small degree, none of that changes the principle. But more importantly all those effects are tiny compared to the trillions of joules needed to raise earths temperature by 1.5 degrees, they are so tiny they can be ignored. Finally, your argument that unless you can identify every component no matter how small and give it a value that you cannot prove the case is ridiculous and no scientist ever does that.You can happily say brakes stop a vehicle without having to prove there are no other tiny influences involved. That's because the overriding factor is the brakes and even though the passengers leaning forward may have had an effect on the vehicles speed its still the brakes that did the stopping. Everything in this post is wrong zany. Your "facts" are just assumptions for which you have no proof. And "attribution" - where scientists identify all the factors and measure their contribution - is most certainly done. If you have a system which is affected by many factors it's essential to try to measure the contribution of each one before you can draw any definite conclusions. Until you've done this you can't say that any one factor is the predominant one. As I said there is no correlation between CO2 and temperature (except those that occur by manipulation of data) and no proof even that CO2 causes warming at the kind of trace concentrations that we currently have. And that's a FACT - and you haven't found any evidence whatsoever to the contrary. No they don't. THey constantly make real life decisions based on body of evidence. Scientists base their decisions on both facts and evidence. Facts are objective pieces of information that are observable and verifiable, while evidence is the collection of facts that support or refute a particular hypothesis, theory, or claim. In the scientific method, evidence is gathered through observation, experimentation, and analysis. Scientists use evidence to formulate hypotheses, make predictions, and draw conclusions about the natural world. They critically evaluate the evidence to determine its reliability and relevance to their research questions. While facts provide the foundation of scientific knowledge, evidence helps scientists to interpret and understand those facts within the context of their research. Therefore, scientists rely on both facts and evidence to make informed decisions and advance scientific understanding.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 19:53:44 GMT
No they don't. THey constantly make real life decisions based on body of evidence. Scientists base their decisions on both facts and evidence. Facts are objective pieces of information that are observable and verifiable, while evidence is the collection of facts that support or refute a particular hypothesis, theory, or claim. In the scientific method, evidence is gathered through observation, experimentation, and analysis. Scientists use evidence to formulate hypotheses, make predictions, and draw conclusions about the natural world. They critically evaluate the evidence to determine its reliability and relevance to their research questions. While facts provide the foundation of scientific knowledge, evidence helps scientists to interpret and understand those facts within the context of their research. Therefore, scientists rely on both facts and evidence to make informed decisions and advance scientific understanding. ZG, what are your thoughts about scientists who disagree that global warming is happening?
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2024 21:11:24 GMT
No they don't. THey constantly make real life decisions based on body of evidence. Scientists base their decisions on both facts and evidence. Facts are objective pieces of information that are observable and verifiable, while evidence is the collection of facts that support or refute a particular hypothesis, theory, or claim. In the scientific method, evidence is gathered through observation, experimentation, and analysis. Scientists use evidence to formulate hypotheses, make predictions, and draw conclusions about the natural world. They critically evaluate the evidence to determine its reliability and relevance to their research questions. While facts provide the foundation of scientific knowledge, evidence helps scientists to interpret and understand those facts within the context of their research. Therefore, scientists rely on both facts and evidence to make informed decisions and advance scientific understanding. ZG, what are your thoughts about scientists who disagree that global warming is happening? I don't think they all fit in a single box. Some think certain aspects are wrong, others think we can deal with climate change rather than try and prevent. I even read one a while back you claimed that due to the positions of continents in the Northern hemispere there was more good land to be gained from climate change than lost. I would have no time for any scientist who says its just not happening. You would need to be more specific if you want a proper answer.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 21:18:25 GMT
ZG, what are your thoughts about scientists who disagree that global warming is happening? I don't think they all fit in a single box. Some think certain aspects are wrong, others think we can deal with climate change rather than try and prevent. I even read one a while back you claimed that due to the positions of continents in the Northern hemispere there was more good land to be gained from climate change than lost. I would have no time for any scientist who says its just not happening. You would need to be more specific if you want a proper answer. ZG, you know as well as I do that eco mentalists worship science they agree with, and rubbish science they disagree with. See google ffs.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 23, 2024 21:37:45 GMT
I don't think they all fit in a single box. Some think certain aspects are wrong, others think we can deal with climate change rather than try and prevent. I even read one a while back you claimed that due to the positions of continents in the Northern hemispere there was more good land to be gained from climate change than lost. I would have no time for any scientist who says its just not happening. You would need to be more specific if you want a proper answer. ZG, you know as well as I do that eco mentalists worship science they agree with, and rubbish science they disagree with. See google ffs. You said scientists, you didn't ask about eco mentalists. Frankly Red I don't think you're qualified to judge.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 21:42:04 GMT
ZG, you know as well as I do that eco mentalists worship science they agree with, and rubbish science they disagree with. See google ffs. You said scientists, you didn't ask about eco mentalists. Frankly Red I don't think you're qualified to judge. LOL, I'd like to say good try, but I think we both know it wasn't. I say again 'ZG, you know as well as I do that eco mentalists worship science they agree with, and rubbish science they disagree with. See google ffs'.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 22:02:20 GMT
Pimlico flat fire sparked by 'dangerous' UPP ebike battery prompts warning against Chinese manufacturer...... A dodgy lithium battery pack on an electric bike is believed to have sparked a fire in a two-storey maisonette in Pimlico - the second fire this year to be linked to the Chinese battery manufacturer UPP. One resident needed to use a neighbour’s ladder to escape the blaze, which has led the London Fire Brigade to issue a warning against using the “dangerous” UPP batteries.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2024 22:10:57 GMT
It's all going its up for EV's.....Even the dribbling old fart is comming to his sences... Joe Biden is 'caving' on his green agenda as US sentiment sours on EVs..... Joe Biden is showing signs of “caving” on his green agenda, according to US attorney Ethan Bearman. The US President is under pressure to water down his EV (Electric Vehicle) drive with a bicameral coalition of over 130 Republican lawmakers penning a letter to the White House on the matter. Speaking on GBN America, Bearman told Patrick Christys that Biden is already showing signs of a deescalation. The White House has projected by 2032 more than two-thirds of new cars and light trucks sold in the US would be electric.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 23, 2024 22:37:43 GMT
Biden like all politicians knows damned well that net zero is a vote loser. That's why Starmer avoids any discussion on the subject and if he's cornered he is very careful not to let anything slip, until after the election.
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