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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2024 7:57:03 GMT
Most of the electorate support it. Support what? having it forced on them? It is of course the newest form of religion. Follow or you will be part of the non-believers a destructive force. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2024 7:57:28 GMT
Support what? having it forced on them? Taking action to reduce climate change. lol Do you support - ie 1) Taking action to reduce climate change. 2) Taking no action to reduce climate change. Polls show that as soon as the proposal leaves people with a lower standard of living, support drops off a cliff - and that's only in hypothetical |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 16, 2024 7:57:39 GMT
So the future is being less well off than we were in the past - good luck selling that to the electorate. That's already the case for many young people. Hasn't bothered you before. Oh - I thought that the young were complaining about being worse off, but if you are saying that they now want to be worse off then everyone is happy. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 16, 2024 8:05:41 GMT
I don't know anyone who does (advise on skimping). A responsible owner will choose tyres that suit the weight, torque and acceleration of his vehicle. As noted earlier this is true also for ICE vehicles e.g. M5 vs Fiesta, as it is with EVs e.g. Tesla S vs Reault Zoe. That said, I think I'd be relying on the manufacturer of the vehicle and the tyre manufacturer for advice, not the bloke on the till at Kwik-fit or even self-styled authorities on an internet chat forum, especially if they have an obvious axe to grind but little actual first-hand experience themselves. Some cars are more tolerant of tyres than other are. A former colleague of mine changed his old Vauxhall Astra for an MR2. The tyres on it were cheap and I told him that he should put decent tyres on it ASAP. Obviously he ignored my advice. About a week later he spun it on a motorway exit road - writing it off. When I said he should have put new tyres on it his response was that his Astra would NOT have come of the road at the speed he was going even on crap tyres - which was probably true. Anyone can drive a FWD Astra because it's got all the weight over the driving front wheels. If you go into a corner too fast and hit the brake it'll still go round the corner. If you do that in an MR2 it'll tend to spin. It's a matter of weight distribution. BEVs have vast amounts of weight in the battery which they arrange to try to create an even weight distribution. So it's just as happy going backwards as forwards - and they put high demands on the tyres because of all the weight they're carrying. And they can break traction not only when braking but also when accelerating. My guess is that the BEV accident figures will not be good. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 16, 2024 8:18:05 GMT
Your guess is as good as anybody's in the absence of actual data.
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2024 8:35:06 GMT
Support what? having it forced on them? It is of course the newest form of religion. Follow or you will be part of the non-believers a destructive force. I think personality types play a big role here. The people who solve or reduce problems have been overpowered by the whiners and the stance takers. These people now have control and, of course, it's all failing apart as they whine and strut about rather than dealing with reality. It's a little like the film Zoolander |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 16, 2024 8:38:16 GMT
This is all becoming a little too Delphic to easily follow, as discussions tend to once Sheepy joins in.
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2024 9:01:44 GMT
Dan, I think you are at the edges of the discussion. Most of the advocates of the 'green revolution', don't see or claim it as a means of returning to parochial society and putting the poor in their place. You are to be commended for straight-forwardness.
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Post by sheepy on Feb 16, 2024 9:04:10 GMT
I can't see Dans problem, he is getting what he wishes for. Careful what you wish for, as you might actually get it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 16, 2024 9:25:02 GMT
At least we don't have to go all the way to Delphi to consult the Oracle.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 16, 2024 9:33:01 GMT
I do despair a little though when a thread like this one squabbling about electric vehicles runs to 80-odd pages and hundreds of posts when really important matters like over-population and sustainability generate little or no interest.
It's almost as if people are afraid to move outside their comfort zone and prefer to remain within it, usually tilting at familiar windmills and afraid to peek behind the curtains at the bigger picture.
This isn't just a criticism of members of this board. When was the last time you heard mainstream politicians discussing such matters? Or the legacy media? Maybe the odd documentary on the BBC usually featuring Sir Richard but that would be about it.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 16, 2024 9:43:08 GMT
I do despair a little though when a thread like this one squabbling about electric vehicles runs to 80-odd pages and hundreds of posts when really important matters like over-population and sustainability generate little or no interest. It's almost as if people are afraid to move outside their comfort zone and prefer to remain within it, usually tilting at familiar windmills and afraid to peek behind the curtains at the bigger picture. This isn't just a criticism of members of this board. When was the last time you heard mainstream politicians discussing such matters? Or the legacy media? Maybe the odd documentary on the BBC usually featuring Sir Richard but that would be about it. Most of this thread is net zero zealots denying that ICE vehicles are are more convenient and safer than EVs. The thread isn’t about over population and not really about sustainability. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2024 9:43:41 GMT
The debate is dominated by idiotic buzzwords designed to create unthinking assent.
'sustainability' is a good example.
There are some resources we must use wisely because they are scarce. This has been happening for hundreds of years
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 16, 2024 9:50:48 GMT
I would consider sustainability to be a measure of how well a country, a region or a planet could sustain its human population given the resources within its confines and the ability to deal with its own wastes.
Why do you say it's a 'buzzword'?
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Post by Orac on Feb 16, 2024 11:05:28 GMT
I would consider sustainability to be a measure of how well a country, a region or a planet could sustain its human population given the resources within its confines and the ability to deal with its own wastes. Why do you say it's a 'buzzword'? Because as soon as you think about the notion turns to jelly. If you have a population, then it is by definition 'sustained'. We don't have alien cultures making food drops. We also don't have the kind of psychic insight needed to know what future developments will solve what problems. |
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