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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 21, 2024 13:01:19 GMT
Perhaps we're going to need to move away from the concept that prosperity means a chicken in every pot and an SUV (or maybe two) in every garage.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 21, 2024 13:06:02 GMT
In the 1950s, Hulme in Manchester was built. That was 25 000 flats, all with electric heating. Bad choice of example. They've almost all been knocked down now. Everybody hated them. Yes I know people who lived in them. The thing was on a cold January morning with 25 000 families all making tea with electric kettles and with their heating on got the power they deserved. It was knocked down due to low IQ kids jumping off the deck access. One or two got killed so they moved the families out. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 21, 2024 13:10:38 GMT
In the 1950s, Hulme in Manchester was built. That was 25 000 flats, all with electric heating. It's alike a record player skipping on a particular track - you just skate off reality. You can't rebuild the whole thing quickly. Earlier you appeared to be completely unaware that people live in flats. Your position is idiotic You are just being rude. I've never backed the forcing of this technology. My way would be to let the market decide. Those who live in proper houses and have proper employers with a car park would find the whole thing cool. The firm would likely use the firm's roof for solar power and claim it as a business expense, as you do. I'm an engineer, not an idiot. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 21, 2024 13:17:30 GMT
There is something to be said for the Baron's approach, but it would require a more dirigiste government like that in France or a more authoritarian one like that in China for it to work.
Last year for example, the French government decreed that every carpark with space for more than 80 vehicles must be covered with solar panels within five years. Those with over 400 spaces must be done in three years.
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Post by Orac on Jan 21, 2024 13:19:39 GMT
There is something to be said for the Baron's approach, but it would require a more dirigiste government like that in France or a more authoritarian one like that in China for it to work. Last year for example, the French government decreed that every carpark with space for more than 80 vehicles must be covered with solar panels within five years. Those with over 400 spaces must be done in three years. Baron has outlined he prefers a market approach |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 21, 2024 13:45:53 GMT
There is something to be said for the Baron's approach, but it would require a more dirigiste government like that in France or a more authoritarian one like that in China for it to work. Last year for example, the French government decreed that every carpark with space for more than 80 vehicles must be covered with solar panels within five years. Those with over 400 spaces must be done in three years. China is not the authoritarian place many like to portray it as. In China, to get everyone using EVs, they actually did it in a permissive way. In major cities up until this point there was a huge smog problem from car fumes, so only about one in three got a car permit to use a car in the cities. Now they say, anyone who has an EV is automatically entitled to a permit.
With companies, if you were to say run a factory employing a few hundred workers, what you would find is the local government rep would say, hey, we have some ideas how you can increase your profits, so they send over someone with a PhD in electrical engineering from the academic sector to kind of inject into that firm the knowledge they need to exploit the latest tech. Like with solar panels on roofs, one can get a very fast payback on their investment. For every 16p you spend on solar panels will give you 1kWh per year for 25 years. Leccy is currently 7p per unit so you have a hot investment there. The government man will put you in touch with those who can make it so, as per removing all the problems in implementing whatever tech they are promoting. This also has the effect of increasing the size of the tech market.
It's like for every cost saving through tech, the government makes sure everyone is exploiting it. The government man is seen as the man of good news. He's always welcome into the factory and the factories have a good friendly relationship with their government counterparts. I know it is like Alice in Wonderland compared to life as an MD in Blighty, but they just think in a completely different way.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jan 21, 2024 13:48:37 GMT
I was referring to his idea of carparks being used for solar power. Of course the market won't do it off their own bat, the RoI will be unattractive to the short-term thinking in 'anglo-Saxon' type economies where the planning horizon rarely extends beyond the current financial year or the date on the CEO's bonus plan.
Btw the French government anticipates 11 GW from carpark solar. Hinkly Point C is supposed to generate 3.2 GW at peak power.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 21, 2024 22:33:53 GMT
I was referring to his idea of carparks being used for solar power. Of course the market won't do it off their own bat, the RoI will be unattractive to the short-term thinking in 'anglo-Saxon' type economies where the planning horizon rarely extends beyond the current financial year or the date on the CEO's bonus plan. Btw the French government anticipates 11 GW from carpark solar. Hinkly Point C is supposed to generate 3.2 GW at peak power. This is the thing. In China some peasant-minded person might own a car park and be a bit of a simpleton. However government man is there to help, and unlike in this backwater, the government people are shit hot sharp in the education department. He's probably got some AI computer that can optimise the design and tell him in an instant how much more cash it would make him, and then there is the easy loans for technology from state banks. It's all about squeezing the efficiency you can from what you have got, so everyone is happy and the government ends up with more tax money at the end of the day as well. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2024 4:24:42 GMT
I was referring to his idea of carparks being used for solar power. Of course the market won't do it off their own bat, the RoI will be unattractive to the short-term thinking in 'anglo-Saxon' type economies where the planning horizon rarely extends beyond the current financial year or the date on the CEO's bonus plan. Btw the French government anticipates 11 GW from carpark solar. Hinkly Point C is supposed to generate 3.2 GW at peak power. This is the thing. In China some peasant-minded person might own a car park and be a bit of a simpleton. However government man is there to help, and unlike in this backwater, the government people are shit hot sharp in the education department. He's probably got some AI computer that can optimise the design and tell him in an instant how much more cash it would make him, and then there is the easy loans for technology from state banks. It's all about squeezing the efficiency you can from what you have got, so everyone is happy and the government ends up with more tax money at the end of the day as well. Major UK city to rip up car parks in bid to ‘manage demand' for petrol and diesel cars........
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2024 7:45:22 GMT
If the fleet operators start to restrict their purchases of EV's the whole target for 2035 could be missed.
Three years ago, London’s biggest taxi company reached a fork in the road.
Regulations announced by Transport for London meant all private hire vehicles registered in the capital would have to meet tougher green emission standards by 2023.
For Addison Lee chief executive Liam Griffin, it meant a choice: invest in plug-in hybrid cars, or “go full electric” and stump up millions for a new fleet of electric cars.
He chose the latter strategy. Griffin ordered 1,000 Volkswagen ID4s as part of a move to “fully embrace” electric vehicles (EVs).
The plan has backfired. Last month, the company was forced to make an about-turn, abandoning its pledge to reach zero emissions by the end of 2023. “We were slightly oversold the dream,” Griffin says.
As well as ID4s, Addison Lee spent £30m on new Volkswagen Multivans, which are plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. However, it soon ran into issues with drivers not having access to public charging.
“Less than 20pc of our drivers have got off-street parking and have the ability to charge overnight,” Griffin says. “For those that don’t, they have got to seek the alternative and that’s when things start to unravel.”
More than three quarters of battery electric vehicles registered last year were bought by businesses and fleets, according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, an increase from previous years when it was nearer two-thirds.
Commercial buyers have made up a growing proportion of the market as ordinary motorists have cooled on EVs and instead shifted back to petrol and diesel.
The Government is forcing car manufacturers to ensure EVs make up an increasing proportion of their sales until 2035, when the sale of new petrol cars will be banned. A downturn in fleet buyers means car makers face the threat of fines unless they can boost demand elsewhere.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2024 12:22:21 GMT
The worlds largest manufacturer is unconvinced that EV's are the future.
"Battery-powered electric vehicles will only ever capture 30pc of global market share, the chairman of Toyota has predicted, raising concerns about consumers’ willingness to align with net zero goals."
Given that EV's are inherently unsuitable for many of the markets around the globe he could easily be correct.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2024 8:49:50 GMT
Oh FFS - we are now supposed to be wrapping the damn things in a blanket..   |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jan 26, 2024 9:09:14 GMT
Took delivery of my new MG last week. Early days, and I won't be using it much over the Festive Period (I'll be going 30 km tomorrow, and that'll be the longest journey until January), but I'm going to take it from Derbyshire to Cardiff in a few weeks' time - and I've signed up to this scheme for an en route topup.. co-charger.com/No idea how well (or otherwise) it pans out. Will report.. As promised.. The journey was Derbyshire > Cardiff > Swansea > Harlech > Derbyshire. Started on a full charge, recharged in Llandovery (fast charger using the co-charger scheme. Lovely couple. Nice cup of coffee and a chat thrown in at no extra charge), and home with juice to spare. Didn't burst into flames once. I've also made a number of more local trips since then, and Birmingham Airport (had to go to Spain). Early days, but so far it's a dream. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2024 9:40:55 GMT
Oh FFS - we are now supposed to be wrapping the damn things in a blanket.. LOL hilarious. Wrap your EV in a blanket to preserve battery range, hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Perhaps these blankets should be made of fire proof material, just in case... hahaaaaaaaaaaaaa. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 11:54:17 GMT
I bet they come with advice to remove the blanket before driving.
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