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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 11, 2023 6:42:03 GMT
Apparently it started with one car but very rapidly spread to the whole floor. The fire brigade were unable to control it because it spread so quickly. Parts of the new multi-story car park have collapsed and many cars have been involved (up to 1200 apparently).
Obviously the big question is whether the car that started it was electric. It seems likely that it was because of the speed at which the fire spread and the intensity of the fire - Li-ion batteries burn at 5000C (far hotter than traditional car fires of about 1200C).
If it was caused by a BEV it raises VERY serious questions about the safety of these batteries - questions that the govt have been very reluctant to engage in so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 6:48:53 GMT
Apparently it started with one car but very rapidly spread to the whole floor. The fire brigade were unable to control it because it spread so quickly. Parts of the new multi-story car park have collapsed and many cars have been involved (up to 1200 apparently). Obviously the big question is whether the car that started it was electric. It seems likely that it was because of the speed at which the fire spread and the intensity of the fire - Li-ion batteries burn at 5000C (far hotter than traditional car fires of about 1200C). If it was caused by a BEV it raises VERY serious questions about the safety of these batteries - questions that the govt have been very reluctant to engage in so far. Once those batteries ignite there's not much that can be done other than to try and isolate them and let them burn out. My guess is that a lot of elitist eco snobs are going to burn very fast in a crash.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 9:59:49 GMT
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Post by dappy on Oct 11, 2023 10:19:04 GMT
What is the evidence that the fire started in an electric vehicle?
The venice bus as I understand broke through a motorway barrier and plummeted 30 feet into a ravine, crushing much of the bus on landing. It caught fire on landing. Not sure of the relevance here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 10:46:36 GMT
What is the evidence that the fire started in an electric vehicle? The venice bus as I understand broke through a motorway barrier and plummeted 30 feet into a ravine, crushing much of the bus on landing. It caught fire on landing. Not sure of the relevance here.That's because you are in denial about the bus batteries fire.
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Post by dappy on Oct 11, 2023 10:48:41 GMT
Well no. I am just wondering what the battery had to do with a bus careering through a motorway barrier and crashing 30 feet into a ravine.
Also wondering what evidence there is that the Luton fire started in an electric car.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 11:02:41 GMT
Well no. I am just wondering what the battery had to do with a bus careering through a motorway barrier and crashing 30 feet into a ravine. Also wondering what evidence there is that the Luton fire started in an electric car. I've not said there is any evidence that the Luton fire started in an electric car. But, if I was a betting man ... Well, they would say that, wouldn't they.
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Post by dappy on Oct 11, 2023 11:20:41 GMT
In terms of the Venice bus crash, the manufacturer may well argue that their engines are more fire resistant than car engines but would presumably mostly argue that the bus crashed because it drove through a motorway crash barrier and plunged 30o feet into a ravine.....
So you are now saying that you have no idea how the Luton fire started but because it suits your political agenda, you would bet on it starting in an electric car. A lesson perhaps that betting and political prejudice don't mix. The local fire chief says that they believe it was a diesel car that initially caught fire and given close proximity of other parked cars, the fire spread to its neighbours and beyond.
how disappointing.....
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 11, 2023 12:15:47 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Oct 11, 2023 12:45:15 GMT
Diesel cars can catch fire but you need rare circumstances for it to happen . You can chuck a lighted match in a can of diesel and it will probably go out .
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 11, 2023 12:47:09 GMT
GB News is reporting it was a diesel car.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 11, 2023 12:58:06 GMT
Even if the first vehicle to catch fire was diesel, once the fire spreads to any nearby EV it still becomes near impossible to put out. The simple presence of EVs is a hazard.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 11, 2023 13:03:01 GMT
Bentley is correct. Diesel fuel is much less flammable than petrol, that's why tank engines run on it. Even American ones these days.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 11, 2023 13:46:20 GMT
Well no. I am just wondering what the battery had to do with a bus careering through a motorway barrier and crashing 30 feet into a ravine. Also wondering what evidence there is that the Luton fire started in an electric car. Your problem, dappy, is that you never read the post. No one has said at any point that the fire was started by an electric car. To some extent it's actually irrelevant what type of car actually started the fire. If there's an electric car in the park next to it it will catch fire and start an inferno. According to GB News the fire is "thought to have started in a diesel car". Obviously it's more likely to have started in a petrol or diesel car because they probably outnumber electric cars by at least 10 to 1. However, I find it strange that the fire brigade (at least) didn't know what the car was that caught fire first. They were on the scene very quickly (according to the reports) and one of the first things they determine is what type of fire it is. Different techniques are required for diesel and petrol cars - and Li-ion battery fires are virtually unstoppable. I look forward to hearing what the fire brigade say. The intensity of the fire indicates that it was primarily a Li-ion fire. That's what happened in the Freemantle Highway car transporter that lost about 3000 cars when one of them caught fire and no one could put it out. This is NOT normal. here needs to be an investigation because the dangers of even small Li-ion batteries are becoming increasingly obvious. It was only a few days ago that an electric van caught fire (reported in the local paper). Because it was parked a few feet away from the terrace house it melted the front door and burnt out the interior of the whole house. No one could put it out.
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Post by dappy on Oct 11, 2023 14:11:46 GMT
Ah so now its irrelevant whether the car that started the fire was electric or diesel even though in the very first post of this thread you said
"Obviously the big question is whether the car that started it was electric"
oops
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