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Post by wapentake on Oct 8, 2023 0:45:07 GMT
Ukraine,Taiwan the balkans and Now Israel and Palestine are we heading for war?
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Post by Orac on Oct 8, 2023 6:56:43 GMT
Ukraine,Taiwan the balkans and Now Israel and Palestine are we heading for war? It certainly feels like it. This has all the hallmarks of the unstable, brittle period before a major conflict. Institutions are also falling apart |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 8, 2023 10:02:41 GMT
No of course not, we just get everyone who is a terrorist to put their hands up then we kill them, with Predator drones preferably, if nobody puts their hands up they must be terrorists in denial, so we kill them all.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 10, 2023 7:50:42 GMT
I think Hamas's intent was to provoke Israel into a massive retaliation that would lead to a Russia/China/Iran war on the West.
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 7:57:18 GMT
I think what Hamas are looking for is Israeli ground forces doing door to door searches in Gaza
Large casualty rates, tanks getting stuck in traps, accidents, suicide bombers
The Muslim world to unite in the demand that Israel withdraw / the left in western world rioting.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2023 9:44:49 GMT
It doesn't need to dangerous for us or western Europeans generally.
It will only become so if we continue to indulge in Atlanticist poodling.
We have no business getting embroiled in any of these conflicts, although I notice Rishi is saying the UK is 'poised' to provide military aid should the Israelis ask for it.
Lessons are clearly still to be properly learned.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2023 10:26:30 GMT
It might be worth considering whether we would prefer to be ruled by an Israeli government or a Hamas government. Choose wisely friends and enemies. There are plenty of clues out there.
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Post by bancroft on Oct 10, 2023 10:29:47 GMT
Ukraine remains a risk though maybe there will be a peace treaty in Biden's last year..
Hamas is purely a fight between them and Israel.
The Syrian Civil continues in the North West.
Burma fighting with Karens continues.
African Islamic militias have attacked countries trying to move away from French control.
Venezuela and Iran may become hot in the near to medium future, Iran will likely be the more serious should anything occur.
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 10:33:33 GMT
It doesn't need to dangerous for us or western Europeans generally. It will only become so if we continue to indulge in Atlanticist poodling. We have no business getting embroiled in any of these conflicts, although I notice Rishi is saying the UK is 'poised' to provide military aid should the Israelis ask for it. Lessons are clearly still to be properly learned. What stance would allow us to avoid all backwash? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2023 11:16:51 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 10, 2023 12:21:46 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy. Agreed. And especially in the Middle East. Also we should also withdraw international aid from these countries because it's obvious it's being diverted to terrorists. And there's no point in helping Israel because they can take care of themselves (usually) because they're supported by the USA. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2023 12:34:15 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy. I think we would still suffer the pitched battles on the streets of London. I can't see us avoiding this no matter how much we keep our big mouths shut. "Silence is violence" etc etc |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 10, 2023 13:22:41 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy. Do you think we would need currency controls if we pull out of NATO and risk the wrath of the US and EU market traders who feel no political need to be kind to our highly populated yet with low productivity Islands? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2023 16:45:02 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy. I think we would still suffer the pitched battles on the streets of London. I can't see us avoiding this no matter how much we keep our big mouths shut. "Silence is violence" etc etc Surely the fact that we tolerate the aggressive behaviours of mutually-antagonistic ethnic minorities who act out their ancient tribal grievances on British streets is a different problem? A policy of non-involvement in foreign conflicts shouldn't mean we have to handle domestic disturbances with kid gloves. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 11, 2023 8:29:41 GMT
I'd suggest a studied neutrality in all cases where the UK's strategic interests are not in jeopardy. I take your point. |
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