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Oct 16, 2023 23:30:19 GMT
Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 23:30:19 GMT
And have the destruction of your state, if not your very existence, at the core of their perverted ideology. That applies to both sides. It does not apply to both sides. Israel is surrounded by enemies who want to see Jews killed and the state of Israel razed and pushed into the sea. Iran who supports Hamas and Hezbollah make no secret about wanting the destruction of Israel. Israelis live with this every day. So no, it does not apply to both sides. Hamas started this, but you can be sure Israel will finish it.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 16, 2023 23:43:54 GMT
Or - for Israel to not shoot, murder, and kill innocent Palestinian kids SNAP Don't be so stupid. We're talking about this because Hamas invaded Israel and murdered men women and children, they murdered babies and took children as hostages. You are attempting to bundle this up put it in a box and talk about something else. Not a chance. The world is looking at Israel right now because Hamas, Islamic terrorists, carried out the most horrendous atrocities on Jewish children since ISIS attempted to murder and torture their way across the middle east, and no amount of whataboutery will change that. I have little respect for weak lefties at the best of times, but I hope there's a special place in hell for weak lefties who defend Islamic barbarism.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2023 23:46:42 GMT
And have the destruction of your state, if not your very existence, at the core of their perverted ideology. That applies to both sides. No it doesn't, don't talk rubbish.
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Oct 17, 2023 7:03:18 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 17, 2023 7:03:18 GMT
That applies to both sides. It does not apply to both sides. Israel is surrounded by enemies who want to see Jews killed and the state of Israel razed and pushed into the sea. Iran who supports Hamas and Hezbollah make no secret about wanting the destruction of Israel. Israelis live with this every day. So no, it does not apply to both sides. Hamas started this, but you can be sure Israel will finish it. So Israel occupies the West Bank and builds Israeli settlements there illegally and beseiges Gaza illegally for the good of the Palestinian state? Come on, you're not stupid. At least I can recognise that both sides are at fault.
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Oct 17, 2023 15:57:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 15:57:06 GMT
Or - for Israel to not shoot, murder, and kill innocent Palestinian kids SNAP Don't be so stupid. We're talking about this because Hamas invaded Israel and murdered men women and children, they murdered babies and took children as hostages. You are attempting to bundle this up put it in a box and talk about something else. Not a chance. The world is looking at Israel right now because Hamas, Islamic terrorists, carried out the most horrendous atrocities on Jewish children since ISIS attempted to murder and torture their way across the middle east, and no amount of whataboutery will change that. I have little respect for weak lefties at the best of times, but I hope there's a special place in hell for weak lefties who defend Islamic barbarism. This conflict did not begin when Hamas butchered the innocent Israeli civilians ten days ago, and it wont end when the Israeli's finish what they are about to do in Gaza. What most people would like to see is an end to the continuing circle of violence and death, and for there to be a peaceful Middle East with the Jewish state of Israel, and a Free Palestine, and where both sides respect one another. I can understand Israel going after Hamas, but I do not support Israels actions in causing death or suffering to Palestinian civilians - not least because it creates more militants for the future.
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Post by om15 on Oct 18, 2023 11:00:34 GMT
The death and suffering of Palestinian civilians seems to caused by Hamas, if the verifiable and independent reports of the deaths in the hospital were due to a malfunctioning Hamas rocket being fired are to be believed. Hamas have cynically meshed themselves into the population in order to make it difficult to be caught and to inflame the supporters of Palestine when they are killed. Hamas is the threat to Palestine, not the IDF, but that doesn't conform with the party line from the left does it.
Hamas, backed by Iran have stated that they aim to wipe Israel off the map, that is why English towns now have to watch the Police taking no action against hordes of Muslim immigrants chanting "from the river to the sea." The Government of the United Kingdom is responsible for the growing threats to our safety due the the Treasury policy of encouraging anyone at all to wade ashore so that we can make money out of them.
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Oct 18, 2023 13:36:25 GMT
Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2023 13:36:25 GMT
It does not apply to both sides. Israel is surrounded by enemies who want to see Jews killed and the state of Israel razed and pushed into the sea. Iran who supports Hamas and Hezbollah make no secret about wanting the destruction of Israel. Israelis live with this every day. So no, it does not apply to both sides. Hamas started this, but you can be sure Israel will finish it. So Israel occupies the West Bank and builds Israeli settlements there illegally and beseiges Gaza illegally for the good of the Palestinian state? Come on, you're not stupid. At least I can recognise that both sides are at fault. You have to ask yourself the question why does Israel occupy the West Bank.
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Oct 18, 2023 13:39:58 GMT
Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2023 13:39:58 GMT
Don't be so stupid. We're talking about this because Hamas invaded Israel and murdered men women and children, they murdered babies and took children as hostages. You are attempting to bundle this up put it in a box and talk about something else. Not a chance. The world is looking at Israel right now because Hamas, Islamic terrorists, carried out the most horrendous atrocities on Jewish children since ISIS attempted to murder and torture their way across the middle east, and no amount of whataboutery will change that. I have little respect for weak lefties at the best of times, but I hope there's a special place in hell for weak lefties who defend Islamic barbarism. This conflict did not begin when Hamas butchered the innocent Israeli civilians ten days ago, and it wont end when the Israeli's finish what they are about to do in Gaza. What most people would like to see is an end to the continuing circle of violence and death, and for there to be a peaceful Middle East with the Jewish state of Israel, and a Free Palestine, and where both sides respect one another. I can understand Israel going after Hamas, but I do not support Israels actions in causing death or suffering to Palestinian civilians - not least because it creates more militants for the future. In effect it re-emerged with the HAMAS actions. Perhaps Israel were being heavy handed in one or two areas but was the HAMAS action proportionate?
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Oct 18, 2023 14:06:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 14:06:59 GMT
This conflict did not begin when Hamas butchered the innocent Israeli civilians ten days ago, and it wont end when the Israeli's finish what they are about to do in Gaza. What most people would like to see is an end to the continuing circle of violence and death, and for there to be a peaceful Middle East with the Jewish state of Israel, and a Free Palestine, and where both sides respect one another. I can understand Israel going after Hamas, but I do not support Israels actions in causing death or suffering to Palestinian civilians - not least because it creates more militants for the future. In effect it re-emerged with the HAMAS actions. Perhaps Israel were being heavy handed in one or two areas but was the HAMAS action proportionate? When 98% of deaths in the region are Palestinians you may have to consider what is proportionate.
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Oct 18, 2023 14:13:08 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 14:13:08 GMT
The death and suffering of Palestinian civilians seems to caused by Hamas, if the verifiable and independent reports of the deaths in the hospital were due to a malfunctioning Hamas rocket being fired are to be believed. Hamas have cynically meshed themselves into the population in order to make it difficult to be caught and to inflame the supporters of Palestine when they are killed. Hamas is the threat to Palestine, not the IDF, but that doesn't conform with the party line from the left does it. Hamas, backed by Iran have stated that they aim to wipe Israel off the map, that is why English towns now have to watch the Police taking no action against hordes of Muslim immigrants chanting "from the river to the sea." The Government of the United Kingdom is responsible for the growing threats to our safety due the the Treasury policy of encouraging anyone at all to wade ashore so that we can make money out of them. That is the line the IDF are putting out support from the west will be forthcoming. The weapons that Hamas use and I am in no way excusing Hamas, are very limited when compared to the up to date weapons that Israel have. In all the 'attacks' committed by Hamas have we ever heard of other instances where 500+ people have been killed. Why did Israel tell over 40 hospitals to evacuate? Hamas does want to wipe out Israel, that is an undisputed fact but it is also an undisputed fact that Israel want to wipe out Palestine. When Israel was created 700,000 Palestinians were displaced and are still living in 'refugee' camps.
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Oct 18, 2023 17:50:17 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 18, 2023 17:50:17 GMT
So Israel occupies the West Bank and builds Israeli settlements there illegally and beseiges Gaza illegally for the good of the Palestinian state? Come on, you're not stupid. At least I can recognise that both sides are at fault. You have to ask yourself the question why does Israel occupy the West Bank. To build illegal settlements?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:53:05 GMT
Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2023 17:53:05 GMT
In effect it re-emerged with the HAMAS actions. Perhaps Israel were being heavy handed in one or two areas but was the HAMAS action proportionate? When 98% of deaths in the region are Palestinians you may have to consider what is proportionate. That is a broad sweep and implies that Israel are to blame for all of those deaths which we know is not the case. Are you saying proportionality should be the same number of dead on each side?
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Oct 18, 2023 17:53:43 GMT
Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2023 17:53:43 GMT
You have to ask yourself the question why does Israel occupy the West Bank. To build illegal settlements? Try to secure their borders.
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Oct 18, 2023 19:06:40 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 18, 2023 19:06:40 GMT
To build illegal settlements? Try to secure their borders. But they are not securing their borders, they are expanding beyond them, completely against international law. But they get away as the Americans continually veto any sanction. I must admit I had to smile at the thought of a Brexiteer making an argument that you have to be outside your borders in order to secure them! 😂
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Oct 18, 2023 19:21:42 GMT
Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2023 19:21:42 GMT
Try to secure their borders. But they are not securing their borders, they are expanding beyond them, completely against international law. But they get away as the Americans continually veto any sanction. I must admit I had to smile at the thought of a Brexiteer making an argument that you have to be outside your borders in order to secure them! 😂 It very much depends on whether your neighbours respect those borders and we know that they did not and prepared to invade. International law forbid the Arabs from invading. Why is Israel the one held to the highest account in International law.
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